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The initial aim of Foundation Science for Justice – NL is to help in the fight to obtain a fair re-trial for Lucy Letby, the nurse convicted of murders and attempted murders of 15 babies at the Countess of Chester hospital, in the UK. The case is shockingly similar to the famous Dutch case of Lucia de Berk. After that, we hope to help in similar cases where miscarriages of justice seem to have occurred due to misuse of scientific and statistical evidence. Several projects are in the pipeline.

We are interested in truth and justice and interested in achieving Justice through uncovering the truth as much as possible. Science gives us tools for that purpose. The purpose of science is to get a closer understanding of the truth about the world around us through the use of scientific methodology and the powers of reason.

The foundation has been incorporated under Netherlands law (ie, it is a non-profit stichting). Presently we have a chairman, Richard Gill, and a Secretary/Treasurer, Engel Wichmann. We plan to expand to a regular five person board, supported by an advisory council. For the time being we have an unofficial four-member “sounding board” with whom we meet several times a year to get feedback and advice. Our statutes are based on a standard Dutch model and formally registered through a notary and with the Netherlands tax authorities. Our accounts will be published and audited annually. We will publish our statutes on this website at a later date.

Chairman Richard Gill is an emeritus professor of mathematical statistics at Leiden University, the Netherlands. He was born (11 September 1951) at Redhill, Surrey, lived successively in Godstone, Surry, and Frieth, Buckinghamshire, a small village high in the Chiltern hills near Marlow-on-Thames. He studied mathematics at Cambridge University from 1970 to 1974 (Bachelor of Science degree, followed by master level Diploma of Statistics). He then moved to the Netherlands to marry his Dutch girlfriend, now his wife of more than 50 years. The couple have three children and five grandchildren. Richard got a PhD in mathematics from the Free University, Amsterdam in 1979. Within a few years he was head of the department of statistics at the mathematical centre, Amsterdam, later renamed as the centre for mathematics and computer science, CWI, and a visiting professor at Leiden University. After this followed full professorships in the mathematics departments of Utrecht University and then Leiden University, taking mandatory retirement at age 65. He is a member of the Royal Dutch Academy of Sciences and a former president of the Dutch Statistical Society. He has worked in the mathematical foundations of statistics, in medical statistics, and in forensic science. For the last 10 or so years before his retirement he has advised police investigators, courts, defence and prosecution lawyers, in various cases, as an accredited forensic scientist.

em.Prof.dr. Richard D. Gill

Secretary and treasurer Engel Wichmann was born in Velsen, North Holland, on 21 February, 1984. He grew up in Velsen, in a family of 6 children. He went to the local “gymnasium” (grammar school) for three years, but left school at age 16 soon after his Father unexpected died and he determined that he had to earn money to support his mother and siblings. Very soon he was buyer for a fish wholesale merchant and his business talents led to his setting up a very early internet based company selling Dutch products to expats in the US. At its peak the company had 70 employees. He then sold the company and the concept to one of his first employees and partners and moved on to develop other new businesses. Presently he and his wife and business partner have an in- and export business for wellness products. The couple live in Burgerbrug, also in North Holland. An earlier marriage led to an acrimonious divorce and Engel was legally prevented from any contact with his first son for many years. He has a strong instinct for truth and justice and became very concerned about some famous Netherlands miscarriages of justice. He has always been an avid reader (as a child he devoured encyclopedias rather than novels or strip cartoons) and is hungry for knowledge in science, philosophy, and psychology. He is presently an external part-time student working towards a bachelor degree in philosophy at the University of Amsterdam, with a focus on philosophy of science. Before that he had followed the first year of the mathematics Bachelors, and has followed courses on theoretical physics given by Gerard ‘t Hooft.

Mr Engel Francisus Wichmann

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Lucy in Between, in depth, part 3

This is a guest post written by Ms Lucy Turnbull. Her case is complex and cannot be explained better than in her own words. We at Science 4 Justice (NL) have verified the recounted facts as far as is possible. The opinions are Lucy’s. This post is the third of a series of four or five posts, recounting events roughly in reverse chronological order.

This version is posted Saturday, 11 July, by Richard Gill. It is a copy of a post of her own, on her own website https://www.lucyinbetween.com/

(That website was itself financially supported by Science 4 Justice-nl.)


My first experience of brutality and torture

INTENTION – PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE 

I ask some of these questions facetiously.  It is not illegal to be facetious, yet! 

What could possibly be the intention of keeping the foreign passport of someone who has been rejected as an asylum seeker; wants to leave the country – but is prevented from leaving AND prevented from working (Article 2 – The Right to Life (the prevention of foreseeable harm)); who follows all stipulated rules given (even if they are illegal); leaves the country (in fact the whole of the European Union and Schengen area) and is then still denied their passport for a further six months?  Your passport is necessity to prove legal identity, conferred citizenship, history even (visas and travel), and the ability to work and apply for visas in other countries, and also to travel freely/legally in the present and future. 

Second question:  What abilities and resources (money, the ability to make friends, communicate, function in civil society) do you need to have to be able to travel across a whole continent without a passport; what understanding do you need to have of European laws and asylum law (without a lawyer); what level of fitness and state of mind do you need to have to successfully do this? How many friends and potential friends do you need to have/ quickly make to be able to do this? 

How does this contradict with a narrative intended to torture you ‘for your own good’? 

As a British citizen I can receive visas on arrival in over 100 countries; am free to travel across Europe and live for three months; can apply to work in Europe and all over the world; and can apply for residency visas, business visas, transit visas, tourist visas and work visas for over a hundred countries.  Why should I be forced to give these to Switzerland, a country I did not want to stay in, and which was both torturing me and preventing me from working and leaving?  That would in fact be insane behaviour! 

What could possibly be the intention? 

My passport was eventually released but to someone in a different country to me – Professor Gill in the Netherlands.  I was denied it when I was in Switzerland and I was denied it when I left Switzerland.  It was not a Swiss passport.  It is a British passport.  I am not Swiss and I do not have another passport for any other country.  Not having it, forced me to do illegal things in order to create a situation where I could live in peace, freely, and work.  I had to cross borders illegally.   

My desire has always been to live in peace.  Always.  

I was forced to ask for asylum in Croatia (and live in an even more disgusting asylum camp for three months with very violent and extremely mentally ill African women).  Not to mention the extremist Syrians, Chechens and Afghanis. A lot of their behaviour is down to ignorance, superstition and ideology.  I was assaulted again, lifted up like a doll and thrown hard on to the floor by a young African woman – I am 58 years old – in Kutina Camp. The women I was deliberately forced to share a 25ft square room with, as part of the torture, used to defecate in buckets in the room, which was ten feet from a bathroom.  They would store up the shit and piss and vomit under their bed for 24 hours, then dispose of it in the shower (not the toilet right next to the shower) in the middle of the day, when other women were showering.  The shower!  I was the only one who complained because I was the only one who knew what standards were supposed to be, and I knew they were creating a health hazard.  Nobody else (300 people) said anything!  They were a community health risk, let alone a risk to themselves and every other person sharing a space with them or showering in the same showers.  They were both given houses on the beautiful Croatian coast (a month after assaulting me), next to unsuspecting locals who will no doubt one day pay for this decision, personally.  People do not suddenly change these kinds of habits, especially if you have an organisation (the UN) claiming they are ‘normal’!  The UN in asylum centres refuses to acknowledge the problems. 

I was assaulted, for a similar reason in Fribourg, Switzerland, by a different young African woman. I was picked up and thrown violently to the floor, in Croatia, because I moved the stacks of her stolen, rotting, perishable food, which was attracting flies and ants into the room, away from my bed and over to the bed of the violent African.  I moved her cooking stove also.  Staff in the centre refused to enforce the rules of no cooking in the room because they could not be bothered.  Again, it was a health risk, let alone absolutely vile and disgusting.  There was a kitchen to use upstairs.   

This attitude that ‘I will do what I want’ and ‘I will knowingly be filthy, disgusting and unhygienic’ (some use it as a form of protest) is deliberate as well as through ignorance.  Many of these women come from places where they do not have running water, cook in the open and do not have basic hygiene knowledge.  It is something they have to be taught.  But it is not something which is taught in asylum camps.  Instead, they bring their ignorance and fight to keep their ignorance.  There are no incentives to change their behaviour in the months and years they can live in asylum camps.  There is no basic education to show them why it is unhygienic.  An increase in previously eradicated diseases is caused by this cultural ignorance, which is sometimes a political protest. And that is why I was assaulted.  I tried to reinforce basic hygiene to prevent myself from getting sick.  The consequence was I was assaulted.  

The UN turned a blind eye.  Three male security guards did what was necessary.  They spoke her language.  I am grateful for these security guards.  Security guards are the only people who actually see what goes down in these places.  That is probably one of the reasons the UN stipulates that asylum seekers (who are compromised because they are asylum seekers) can work in these centres (in Switzerland). Switzerland is more corrupt than Croatia and Bosnia, richer than Croatia and Bosnia and most asylum seekers pass through the Balkans on the way to Switzerland for those reasons:  potential corruption and more money.  You can’t blame them for exploiting an already immoral and corrupt system. And, in fact, there is a very specific asylum camp in Bosnia, specifically for those ‘asylum seekers passing through’, on the way to Europe!  I joke not! 

In Croatia and Bosnia, they seem to have anticipated this kind of corruption – only Croatians, Serbs and Bosnians work in their centres!  Many of the ones working in Swiss asylum centres cannot find work anywhere else! The UN, who are present in every asylum centre, are a cultural-changing, tick-boxing, unethical and immoral organisation.  

In Chemin de la Rossierre Camp, Fribourg, Switzerland, I was assaulted because I was sharing a room with a young woman who had stacked the room with stolen goods and I asked her to create some space for my one bag.  Inside and outside the room were brand new shoes – hundreds of shoes – clothes, make up, etc. On the floor was a disgustingly dirty carpet.  I asked her to remove it, so I did not have to smell the stench coming from it.  She refused.  In fact, she spent her whole time in her boyfriend’s apartment near the asylum camp and only slept there once in three months.  Her bed was paid for by the Swiss state. Since she refused to remove the carpet, I removed the carpet and put it outside to air when she was not there.  She immediately came back and assaulted me violently after an argument, three times.  The ORS men who were on duty at the time – one was Turkish and one was African – lectured me on how Helen was traumatised and that I did not understand how her trauma affected her.  While deliberately trying to wind both of us up in order to start a fight.   

She lost it.  I defended myself.  When I asked them to call the police, the Bangladeshi manager told them to blame me. The police arrived and did nothing.  I asked them to take me to the hospital.  I went back to the room about 11pm after being refused a safe space at the hospital and she was still there.  She assaulted me again.  The African ORS member of staff totally lost control, was standing shaking his arms in the air, erratically shouting, ‘Lucy, you don’t understand, Ellen has suffered trauma!’  I was sitting on a chair.  I wish I had filmed his agitated behaviour.  He was a very large, black, French-speaking African who stalked me all over the camp when he was there.  Immediately after he left, poor little (violent) Ellen picked up all of my belongings, computer and all, and threw them into the corridor. I left them there, to prove what she did and went back to this insane ORS guy and asked him whether he was going to allow her to assault me every time she felt that her ‘trauma’ justified it. Then he moved her.  No lecture for Ellen!   

The first bed they offered me in Rossierre was in a room nobody wanted to enter because of the other African woman in the eight-bed room.  She had built a religious shrine on two of the beds, surrounded it with symbols of Jesus and effigies.  It was like a voodoo room. I refused to stay there and then they offered me Ellen’s stolen stash room.  After living in at least seven different asylum camps by then I knew the business strategy of sub-Saharan Africans.  If anyone ever gets the privilege of entering asylum camps you will literally find stacks of stolen clothes, all neatly folded.  There is up to ten huge bags (massive LIDL type bags) filled with clothes they have stolen, or taken from local charities (ORS included), intended for ‘desperate asylum seekers’, and poor local people.  Africans go to volunteer in these places, take all the clothes for themselves or their African sisters, as part of their business plan.  The plan is to stack up the clothes for when they are eventually deported because the UN gives them a few thousand Euros, plus an air ticket, plus they transport all their bags back to their home country, as soon as they agree to leave.  As soon as they have stocked up as much as is not noticeable in the asylum centre without it being thrown out.  As I said, at least ten bags.   

It is a business strategy!   

Africans (only female Africans) also do this with the free supermarket food the local supermarkets give to charities – but with the food (in Switzerland it was the most expensive meat, delicatessen items, chocolate, salmon, etc) they resell it immediately to their African friends who have already gained temporary or permanent status in Switzerland.  It is, if I am honest, a very effective community and business strategy, but it is completely immoral.  Ukrainians, who were the wealthiest asylum seekers, because they immediately get about 170 Euros a week and accommodation on arrival, never got a sniff.  Other, non-African asylum seekers had to group up to stop the Africans from stealing everything.  I could still take you to the places this is happening in Switzerland if I ever wanted to visit that shit country again.  I’ve lived in seven different countries, and aside from the fact I was an asylum seeker in Switzerland, it was one of the most barbaric, disgusting countries I have ever lived in.  Completely anti-human, even to its own citizens.  Corrupt to the core.  Europeans and Swiss call it ‘The Whore of Europe’, because they take money from anyone and asylum seekers can buy citizenship if they have a big enough bank account. 

The conditions in Swiss and European asylum camps are deliberately intended to cause severe stress and trauma to test whether asylum seekers will succumb to ‘learned helplessness’.  They use various methods to try to force you to conform.  One of them is to force you to live, side by side in tiny spaces, with very abusive and sick people and then be abused and disrespected by equally abusive and sick people who work in these camps. It is deliberate. One of the tactics is to gaslight you after you are assaulted.  All of the tactics are designed to abuse you, humiliate you, try to traumatise you, belittle you.  The people complicit in doing this, in ORS, can refuse.  The majority don’t. The majority seem to be comprised or complicit in some way – believing their presence will stop the abuse; not caring whether they are part of it; or asylum seekers who cannot speak out. I believe many of them do not even understand why they are doing it and convince themselves it is justified, in order to deal with their cognitive dissonance.  Many believe they are there because they care.   

You cannot be part of an organisation that tortures people and also be considered a compassionate person.  It is an oxymoron.  

I also knew someone who was interviewed for a position in the camps and told he was too compassionate to work there.  Compassionate people create compassionate contexts.  Compassion is not what the Swiss want.  Contrary to what people probably believe most asylum seekers are tortured in Switzerland and probably in many other parts of Europe too.  A Sudanese man with a lovely family worked in ORS and once when I had a complete breakdown (and was sent back the same day to Giffers) he stood and observed the whole thing.  He was compassionate but could not do anything.  I met him when I left Giffers on the bus and shook his hand.  He had not lost his compassion.  But he was compromised.  He was with his two beautiful young girls, on a bus, in Fribourg.  Sometimes you have to choose your loyalties to survive and the Swiss use this to cuckold people on behalf of the UN, maybe. 

By denying me my passport (on the order of Keir Starmer, I am sure, because it is during his time as PM – I left Switzerland Dec 2024, and it was released in July 2025.  I received it Aug 2025) I was left deliberately without any ability to earn or even receive money in Switzerland, Italy, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia due to the fact my passport had been kidnapped by the Swiss Government.  Every other nationality in Swiss camps (probably in all European asylum camps) was entitled to 20 Euros a week, except:  British, American, Australian etc.  All other nationalities also have multiple charities, set up by their ethnic friends, providing them with both financial and practical assistance (food, clothes, money, respite from the camps).  I was at a disadvantage in every way.  It wasn’t until I got to Rossierre, after being tortured and still being tortured, that I was given 20 Euros a week (after six months in brutal camps, nightly listening to a rapist rape his wife in the final one, Giffers). 1 Eighty per cent of the money I received in Rossierre went to paying my storage in Edinburgh to preserve my children’s books and mementos from my time as a good mother.  It also contained the evidence which showed I was telling the truth.  I was a good mother.  A dedicated mother.  That I tried to get to the truth in 2005 and was denied by Boyd.  That my youngest child lived with me until he was 17 (and was still alive) and that both my children were raised by me.  Not only raised by me but loved, cherished, protected as best I could, and were my world.   

The proof also that after my son’s murder was covered up and that the Turnbulls claimed they were his next of kin. I arranged his funeral as his real next of kin during this sadism towards myself and my son.  They invited themselves to his funeral! I asked his teacher, Sheila Mayberry to come to his funeral and it was Sheila who invited all his old Primary 7 classmates together to talk about my son in the most respectful and beautiful way at his humanist funeral. She loved my son and had not seen him for at least four years.  He was a special boy!  She never forgot him! 

I was forced therefore to ask for asylum again due to my liberty and right to life being at risk (my passport was refused to me), due to the Swiss and British governments.  The reason I gave for reluctantly asking for asylum in Croatia and Bosnia was – denial of liberty by the Swiss (Article 5 ECHR – that no one be confined to a particular space for a non-negligible period without proper legal justification) – the capture of my passport.  No way to prove my identity, to work legally or travel legally.  It is my legal right.  Nobody had accused me of any crime.  The Swiss gave me the legal document proving they had and were keeping my passport, regardless of which European country requested it.  In fact, I was told, illegally by both Croatia and Bosnia, that they could not request my passport so I could not end my request for asylum, without again travelling without it.  So, I was also forced to live in these disgusting camps again (deliberate torture) for about four months in Croatia and about five months in Bosnia/Republika Srpska. 

The whole scenario stinks of insanity and the people trying to justify this are in fact psychopaths, as I said before.  Forcing someone to live in disgusting camps, with violent and sick people, with no right to have them face the consequences of assault, is torture and no ability to work or leave, goes against multiple of my, supposed human rights.  I just needed my passport.  I was denied it for years.  I paid for it.  No reason given!  

Let’s go a little bit further and consider what happens when your right to life and your right to liberty are denied and the justification for it is:  NOT GIVEN!  Let’s consider the mindset of those making those decisions, making arguments that everyone should adhere to these conditions, and the slimy, cowardice and weaselliness of people never challenging the callousness and sadism of this decision.   

The people responsible are sadists and must be completely devoid of humanity, and out of touch with reality! 

No justification has ever been given.  

It is an example of extreme delusion on the part of those making that decision.  Extreme delusion! Possibly psychosis, if they also truly believe it is for anyone’s own good. 

If you deny someone the right to liberty and the right to life, knowing that in doing so you are causing them extreme harm, you are doing it to cause them extreme harm (whether you admit it to yourself or not).  Only under the kind of perverse and extremely psychotic justifications could anyone even argue denying someone the right to liberty and the right to life is ‘for humanitarian reasons’.  The likes of real serial killers argue with this kind of logic. 

‘I killed her because it was better than living.  I did her a favour.’ 

Look up any serial killer and I am sure you will find this delusional and psychotic way of thinking. 

So, for two years, the (Swiss and British) people stopping me from living a legal life, where I could earn money, travel and thrive, let alone the most important thing – escape Switzerland and their barbarity – were in fact insane psychopaths.  The description above proves they are insane psychopaths.  No sane person would argue that this behaviour is good for anyone.  It only satisfies the twisted logic of an insane person.  I am sure they are still involved in ‘commenting from a distance’, given multiple people are aware of what they did to me and know nothing can be done unless I make an official complaint and it is taken seriously.  I did make a complaint, several.  None were replied to, of course.  Psychological torture is permitted! 

So, I repeat, again, on what basis was it decided that my passport should be retained (‘for my own good’) by a foreign country I wasn’t in, when nobody knew what I was doing day by day (it is nobody’s business), or where I was (from August 2024, in Switzerland, when I was hiding; to January 2025 when I requested, in Zagreb, that the British FCDO tell Switzerland to release my passport)?  

Switzerland knew I had left because I did not change my Swiss number until Croatia.  I just switched off my mobile crossing borders so that I would not be detected! It was that simple! The only time it was difficult to cross borders was between Croatia and parts of Serbia.    Crossed multiple borders calmly, smiling, friendly, relaxed and with ease.  Total ease!  Nobody helped me!  I did not require assistance, thank you!  I am a seasoned (20 years) international travel, and I have worked three times in Iraq.  Crossing friendly European borders was like drinking a cup of tea.  Not to mention the fact I look like a native European – a local! 

Literally hundreds of people I met when I did not have my passport said to me, ‘There MUST be a reason!’ In order ‘to capture you so you can face trial’?  Trial for what?  One of Starmer’s jumped up claims that I am/was a security risk? When I exercise my right to criticise his authoritarian and dictatorial fascist state? Everyone knew where I was when I was in Croatia!  I called the British Embassy, on a Croatian number.  They called me a liar! I recorded it.  They knew where I was in Bosnia! For months, they knew where I was and for months, they did not, or pretended they did not, because I was always with witnesses.  Some dangerous witnesses.  By coincidence.  If there was some kind of warrant, why didn’t they come and get me?  Because there wasn’t, there isn’t.   

This is the British MO.  They do not accuse you of a crime, but they put you in situations where they hope you will be forced to commit a crime.  This is also what they do to asylum seekers in Switzerland.  They test your absolute human limit and then blame you for being human.  Some people kill other people.  Many men take it out on the local population.  All like-minded, barbaric, dangerous, psychotic, extremist was very happy to have a little toy like me to try and doubly torture as their (ignored) revenge on white Europeans.  I was a target and deliberately kept a target as a form of torture. 

Psychologists will tell you the effect of psychological torture on people, most people, and the difference it has on people who are already dangerous.  It is deliberate.  It is intentional.  Asylum seekers are deliberately tortured to push them to the limit to start a civil war with local people. No psychologist will ever argue that torture does any good and the ones covering it up in Switzerland and Europe are complicit in torture!  They are sadists, quite simply! 

I am a very self-controlled, self-aware person who is not violent in any way, and I would never harm a fly.  But I am also capable of defending myself or fleeing from somewhere if I feel I am about to be violently attacked.  That is my right. 

Kidnapping my passport was also another way to cause extreme doubt about anything I was saying, even my identity, and a means to cause great suspicion everywhere I went.  At one point, I was accused of murdering someone, which was a horrible thing to be accused of.  

‘You must have murdered someone.  Only people who have done something really bad have their passports kidnapped!’  

FOR STATE SECURITY 

I am a 58-year-old, peaceful, British woman, a teacher of English, who left the UK in 2013.  

There was no warrant, international or otherwise, so, in what way was it good for me to retain my passport for an additional eight months after I left Switzerland and gladly gave up my claim for asylum?  

TORTURE 

What was the justification for torturing me in multiple ways, in multiple countries? 

The justification is that the Swiss and British use psychological torture on dissenters for the ‘security of the state’.  That is what the IPT is about.  That is why their decisions are kept secret. That is why you cannot scrutinise the likes of Boyd and Goss. That is why every European country has a clause in their asylum laws, as dictated by Brussels, that:  No European country can give asylum to a person from another European country, even if they are being tortured.  It is enshrined in law.  Just ask Julian Assange!  He was tortured for years, openly.  

That is why you cannot get access to the information the IPT Court uses to make decisions, because if you did and if the public knew that British and European countries use torture on their own citizens there may be civil unrest. 

I doubt in the UK that there would be, but there might be.   

Even slightly raising the possible idea that you have been the recipient of a miscarriage of justice is enough to experience extreme torture from the British state because it challenges the hierarchy, the elites and the crown.   

More and more cases are coming into the public arena which demonstrate the barbarity of the British justice system.  You just have to look at the way the justice system is set up.  The fact you are only entitled to a free lawyer if you are the victim/perpetrator of a criminal act.  But, not entitled to one if your human rights (equal to criminal law) are denied by the state.  You do not have human rights if you do not have the automatic right to a lawyer to defend your human rights in the obtuse and complex courts of ‘law’. 

So, any justification which was given (not to me) that kidnapping my passport was ‘justified; explained; legal’ is false from every angle, except for the purpose of torture.  Psychological and physical torture.  But the torture had started a long time previously and continued, just in a different format, whilst in Switzerland. 

Other asylum seekers kept their passports, wisely, on asking for asylum.  Just in case they had to leave.  I guess they understood the system better than I did.  I consulted lawyers and specialist security advisers while in Switzerland and they all knew that what was happening to me was illegal, or so it seemed.  But all the people who helped me, did not have the time to read my complex story and I did not want to test their patience.  I was grateful for the help of several Swiss citizens, but their patience always ran out when I told them: the reason this is happening to me is persecution.   

When you are in a precarious situation, absolutely relying on the kindness of others, you cannot tell them everything.  You can only tell them as much as they can handle, as much as they have time and patience for.  Your day-to-day struggles, not having enough food, being assaulted, having your clothes stolen, is too much. You have to be grateful for what you are given.  Without which you would not survive. 

Nobody believed my story because I am not an argumentative, attention-seeking person. I am actually quite quiet, but I will speak out, like Danny, when ill-treatment is obvious.  Nobody believed me because they did not have the time to read what I had (stacks of legal documents) and I did not have a place to write and often did not have a computer or internet. 

It is not coincidence that the one brave person who did help me (and her many generous friends) started to be harassed herself, her livelihood threatened and her liberty seriously threatened.  That is another reason I had to leave.  Being around me, helping me was in fact dangerous for Swiss people.  I did not want to be responsible for harming anyone. I cried many times over the potential harm that could be caused to compassionate and kind people.   

Violent people were rewarded.  Compassionate people were harassed and threatened.   

MOVED CAMPS AS A FORM OF PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE 

It is a common psychological torture tactic to prevent people from building relationships.  I met some people in the camps that I wanted to keep in touch with or just spend time with as I figured out what to do.  I was moved around seven or eight camps.  Some were better than others.   

When my request for asylum was rejected, I was moved to Poya, now closed.  It was barbaric.  There were different rules and laws for different ethnicities.  Turkish rules for Turks and Kurds for Kurds.  Arab rules for Arabs.  Afghani rules for Afghanis.  Somali for Somali.  Eritreans and Somali women often had physical fights, spitting on each other and dragging each other by the hair, while their children watched in horror.  Babies were traumatised, vomiting, were drugged to sleep because of the conditions in the camps.  A woman from sub-Saharan Africa came at me like a bull, running along the corridor, arms swinging because I told her to keep out of my sleeping space.  As soon as she started screaming ten African women of different nationalities all appeared, as seemed to be the ritual when a fight breaks out.  I stood and did not move! I asked them, which of course made them madder:  What is it that you think you are doing, huh?  Your answer to disagreement is to violently attack everyone who disagrees with you?  She was being held back, just, by other women.  An ORS woman came up, Alexandria (European), who stood in between and stopped the potential assault. I walked away.  I was beginning to dislike many African nationalities, whereas before I had no such prejudices. 

At the same time, in the same camp, I was told to share a room with an Afghani family.  Strange thing with Afghani families how their male members never protest to other women sharing the same space as them!  I protested! Nothing was done.  This family was also drugging their children to sleep because that is what the local hospital was telling them to do, to allow their children to sleep in that hell hole.  Drug them!  I complained about the father coming in deliberately just after I had showered, multiple times.   

We were all asked to come to the security room to ‘discuss’ the situation.  When the father arrived, of course Afghani fathers have never been challenged by a woman, he put his child (under one year old) on a table, just standing and the child fell off.  A Bangladeshi security guard (in front of a Swiss guard) turned to me and said, ‘That was your fault!’  He was deliberately trying to traumatize me and was enjoying it.  Seriously enjoying it!  

In Poya camp, the security guards, who were mostly not Swiss, forced everyone to stand, legs spread, arms against the wall every time they entered from being outside.  As if we were all potential criminals.  I refused.  I refused every single time.  I deliberately forced them to call the chief, who was Somali who refused to speak directly to me, every single time.  I refused and asked:  What are you going to do about it? I am not a criminal, and I am sure this is illegal.  If you suspect some people are stealing and bringing stolen goods into the camp, search them.  You have no right to search me every single time I return.   

The reasons they would not search the Africans who were stealing is because the camp was mostly occupied by Africans and many of the guards were African, so any violent event that happened could not be controlled.  African thieves were bringing stolen goods into the centre and selling them to other asylum seeker and security guards.  Only when police arrived were they stopped.  At one point a whole group of Algerians were rounded up and deported all at once. 

One Somali girl, travelling on her own, was sexually assaulted in the kitchen by a very old Somali man.  She was told by other Somalis to say nothing or there would be consequences.  She was assaulted in the middle of the kitchen, in front of ORS staff and about twenty other asylum seekers.  Nothing happened.  No consequences for the people who assaulted her or threatened her – A Somali family with a young girl, or the dirty old bastard who grabbed her crotch. 

In Poya camp I stopped eating due to the abuse and ridicule I was experiencing from Africans and the Muslim staff.  I asked to see a doctor multiple times.  Once I was told, after being assaulted, to go to the hospital myself.  So, I walked to the hospital emergency department by myself, got a blood test and was told there was blood in my urine, from having a door slammed into me by two African men.  Again, Professor Gill and I asked for the medical records from the Swiss hospital and the full set of records were denied.  Instead, information supporting the narrative coming from the FCDO was released.  No letters of complaint were included in those files.  No record of my meetings with a completely psychotic doctor who refused to allow me to talk about the assaults and torture happening to me.  No record of my complaint about her irrational out of control behaviour during our meetings, when every time I tried to raise my voice about her complete projection of her own problems and her refusal to get her to document what was happening to me was met with:  

 You have PTSD.  No, you have CPTSD.  No, you have this.  No, you have this.  Oh, this is all about your childhood.  Oh, this is all about your work relationships.  Oh, this is all ‘post, post, post’ – nothing to do with the PRESENT ASSAULTS!  

Multiple people who were being assaulted and abused in the camps and who refused to conform to learned helplessness were put on drugs.  Most did not know how dangerous these drugs were.  Most did not know or dare to refuse.  Swiss doctors were/are making a fortune from medicalising the trauma deliberately caused by asylum centre staff and conditions.  All were sent back to the camps, and the process was repeated over and over again.   

When you asked to see a doctor, you were refused. 

When you saw a doctor, he could not speak English. 

When you tried to report it to a doctor, they refused to let you speak. 

When you complained about the psychotic doctor you were given, you were gaslit. 

All the time, you were sent back to the asylum camps. 

The doctor I saw for over six weeks did not once allow me to report the assaults and abuse I was receiving.  At times she would storm out; tell ME to act more compassionately; at one point she told me I had to manipulate the men in Rossierre because their egos were fragile and I had to massage them in order to be treated better!  Everything I tried to report she would immediately come back to me with: 

Childhood trauma!  PTSD! CPTSD! 

She was compromised!  She was one of the most damaged and drug-addicted people I have ever met in my life.  She had zero listening skills and zero perspective on life, except that:  men are all bad; all behaviour is based on childhood trauma; the Swiss camps are not bad!   

I had to repeatedly go back to this woman, who I handled calmly and gently in fear of her feeding her psychopathic tendencies and I more than once asked to ‘take a break’, voluntarily, in their five-star hospital because it was like going from Dante’s Hell to heaven.  A clean room with clean bed, people who used the bathroom, regular food and no assaults – except that is from two African members of staff, in the hospital!  The hospital was dominated by African and Middle Eastern care staff.   

At one point, after being assaulted two days previously, by Ellen, I went to the hospital to try to speak to someone and left because they refused to see me, I was forcibly incarcerated and I recorded the whole thing.  You can listen to it here: https://on.soundcloud.com/5Izn2bSnJMu7lTnZcH

I am calm.  I am reasonable.  The Russian doctor refuses to justify what she is claiming.  Stating: 

You are psychotic. 

To which I replied:  How am I psychotic?  You should really explain that assertion! 

To which she replied: Oh, yes, and that is the other thing, you are not only psychotic, but you are psychotic and your refuse to accept that you are psychotic. 

I immediately wrote to a judge.  He came to the hospital, ripped up her document (which has far reaching consequences for my life of course) and released me.   

If I was so psychotic, how did I manage to, again under extreme duress, write my own legal argument immediately to a Swiss judge, demand he release me and successfully be released?  The two ideas are not compatible! 

But that gave the FCDO and Starmer the document they wanted all along.  A document which was ripped up and a document which they obtained illegally and then circulated to Croatia, in order to have a reason to try to force me back to the UK. 

This was the narrative that the FCDO and British State wanted and this was the narrative (I knew from studying and campaigning for people who experienced child abuse) that would have been plausible had I not completely overcome my impoverished childhood and in fact campaigned on behalf of abused children; and also left the UK completely where I successfully started a very happy new life! 

By the time I had almost died, from an overdose, due to the repeated assaults, torture and almost starvation, and being told ‘You cannot leave without your passport, but you must leave.  We will, we won’t give you your passport if you give us tickets.  You also cannot work or earn money, and you do not have your freedom, and of course it is it is all your own fault!”  I had all the evidence I was looking for. 

The snippets of information I got from the deranged doctor, repeated by the doctor who released me from the hospital, which is part of the procedure, I knew, for a fact where all the information was coming from: 

Police Scotland 

The FCDO. https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/foreign-commonwealth-development-office

The Turnbulls 

I knew that I could request the documents the release doctor would write.  I knew also and was threatened by the doctor who signed Alexadria’s ‘order’ for recording her, that the recording I had of her showed they were breaking the law, and so I knew I had all the evidence then to show the British State were slandering me and were using lies they got from Iraq, from Police Scotland, from the IPT and from Boyd to try to silence me.  I know because I recorded the doctors who tried to lock me up and I am absolutely calm, because I knew that that was always going to be the inevitable result of what the FCDO and Police Scotland were trying to create.   

The lies which claimed: 

I had previously had a ‘psychiatric history’ – Nope!  This came from an Iraqi in Kurdistan; Police Scotland who repeated their lies; these lies were used to silence me in a US court where a Barzani was claiming he wasn’t running a fake university – he and the FCDO claimed I was an unreliable witness (I was the Director of his fake university language institute in 2020). 

Both my children were dead. (My youngest son is 32) 

I did not raise my children. (All records show I raised my children, alone) 

My family raised my children. (They said this to cover up the murder of my child in 2005) 

I was a former drug addict or alcoholic.  (I do not drink, smoke or take drugs) 

This narrative is repeated in multiple countries without scrutiny.  When you ask for records and reports, only records and reports with this narrative are released.  Evidence, facts, recordings, emails, from me to the FCDO, to CEC, to the Cross-party Group on Human Rights in the Westminster Parliament; to multiple politicians, are withheld.  Anyone who does not believe that multiple people across multiple countries can willingly repeat things that they cannot verify but which have now grown legs does not understand how the culture of denial pervades all governmental and other institutions.  People have repeatedly written and repeated lies because by the time they discovered they were lies they were already complicit and so had to defend their lies.  How could they be so stupid? 

I was never and have never been psychotic in my life.  I was calmly observing the character of people willing to severely damage someone and then try to cover up for their stupidity, regardless of who it destroyed!   

These lies are still circulating.  Listen to the recording of Alexandria Klimenko! 

Abusive doctor stealing my liberty with a tautological argument! 

To summarise before I continue to document the torture I have experienced: 

  1. Judge Colin Boyd, previous Procurator Fiscal in Scotland, refused me an investigation into the murder of my child, in 2005.  Refused me even an explanation. Moved to the IPT court in 2019 and then denied me the right to legal representation and silenced me. 
  2. In Dec 2022, Boyd, held a secret meeting in the IPT court and denied me the right to even read the reports the IPT court stated were used to come to their conclusion:  Nothing illegal took place! I was the plaintiff and in southeast Asia at the time. 
  3. In 2018, when I reported abuse in an Iraqi university to the British Embassy, the FCDO wrote reports that came from that university and hid those reports from me. These reports were used in a court case against Saqi Barzani, between 2021/2022, in the US, to claim I was an ‘unreliable witness’.  Secret reports from Police Scotland, were also submitted to this court because Saqi Barzani told me publicly his cousin (the Prime Minister of Kurdistan) had reports from Police Scotland, claiming I had no qualifications and had only ever worked in a shop!  At the same time, the FCDO contacted Christopher Turnbull, possibly the last person to see my late son alive and gave him my location and the power to tell these abusive employers to do what they wanted! 
  4. Since 2005 I have been denied an explanation why an investigation was not started into the murder of my son; since 2020, when I reported a fraudulent university in Iraq covered up by the US Government because it was a money laundering operation, I have been persecuted and slandered, assaulted tortured, denied my human rights and had my passport kidnapped. 

These are all related.  By the time I got to Croatia I had all the information I needed, and I also had a copy of the document the FCDO had obtained illegally, from Switzerland, which was literally ripped up by a Swiss judge.  

The British have no justification for torturing me other than the fact I tell the truth, about their use of torture and their willingness to cover up the murder of children! 

From Poya I was moved to one of the worst known camps in Switzerland: Giffers!  It is a high security camp where you cannot leave without asking guards to unlock the high security doors.  They often pretended you were not even there, as a form of psychological torture and to test your ‘learned helplessness’. I was put in a room and forced to share a room with two Afghani families – two men, two wives, five children.  One of the fathers was raping and sexually assaulting his wife, right next to my bed, every second or third night.   

I will continue soon…

Lucy in Between, in depth, part 2

This is a guest post written by Ms Lucy Turnbull. Her case is complex and cannot be explained better than in her own words. We at Science 4 Justice (NL) have verified the recounted facts as far as is possible. The opinions are Lucy’s. This post is the second of a series of four or five posts, recounting events roughly in reverse chronological order.

This version is posted Saturday, 11 July, by Richard Gill. It is a copy of a post of her own, on her own website https://www.lucyinbetween.com/

(That website was itself financially supported by Science 4 Justice-nl.)


After eighteen years of cover up and abuses to my human rights, the murder of my son, I asked for political asylum in Switzerland

I am well aware of how the British justice system is supposed to work and I am well aware of how the European system is supposed to work.  I studied both at Edinburgh University, as a mature student twice (32 when I started in 1999).  I also worked as a temp for multiple Scottish Government departments since its inception and since Donald Dewer was the first First Minister.  I worked in a building in the High Street (which was close to the Church of Scotland Assembly Hall) for the temporary (via Pertemps) Scottish Government.  I worked in the Standards and Procedures Department and multiple other departments in 2001 when Randy Reverand Douglas Stevenson was being exposed (not fully) in the tabloids.  One of my jobs was to collect newspaper reports about ‘issues of interest to the Scottish State’. I was basically collecting newspaper reports about a Church of Scotland Reverend (Douglas Stevenson) I had an affair with whilst at university! I had to take a year out to let the story quiet down.  

As a Sociology student I studied western society in all its parts (1999-2004 – my late son Danny was fifteen when I finished).  My children were with me always and at no point were my children living with any other human being during their childhood. This is confirmed by tax codes, school reports, my own GPs (Brough, Black and another (non-Irish) one). I owned my own home worth about 150,000 pounds and had an 11,000-pound mortgage on it. I studied Politics 1, Philosophy 1, Social History 1, Sociology 1, Social Demography 1 in the first year, which basically gives you a grounding on the Enlightenment, and every philosophical, social and political tradition which the British and European justice systems are built upon.   

I took both my boys to Gambia when I finished my Sociology MA to show them how fortunate they were and to show them how other people lived.  This trip was after I received 5000 pounds for an exposé on Douglas Stevenson.  

Being in Gambia and meeting boys his own age made Danny very sad, but my youngest son was too young to understand and was only ever interested in Danny making him laugh anyway, when we were all together. 

The second time I went to Edinburgh University was between 2007-2009, after Danny died – I had set up an after-school youth club, mainly to benefit my youngest son, if I am honest, who, as I said, had lost his brother at the very important age of ten (2005) and was desperately lonely.  He was 12 when I set up the club.  

I had funding from multiple charitable funds for the youth club and got on to this MA course in Community Education as a result.  I was a student studying community education and international development. 

When Danny died my youngest son was very withdrawn and watching him so alone tore my heart to pieces.  He and Danny used to spend every moment together in the house in Polwarth, Edinburgh. We were a very close, tight-knit little family. Sometimes he forgot Danny was dead and it was heartbreaking to remind him that Danny wouldn’t be there when we got home (he was so excited to see his big brother and tell him everything). This happened twice and I can still feel the pain he felt and the pain from watching my son suffer with grief, for the second time, third time.  Every major event in his young life reminded us that Danny wasn’t there to share it with us.  We knew what we were each thinking when major life events happened (moving up in high school, getting a deep voice, getting a girlfriend, passing all his exams, growing a beard). Our hearts broke over and over again, but there was some comfort for me in knowing we shared the same grief.  We were the only ones who shared the same grief!  

I kept all the legal stuff from my youngest son because what he was dealing with was enough and he was too young to understand.  I told him Danny had had had an accident, and it was left at that.  I don’t know what other people said to him but one nasty boy at primary school mocked him, by making jokes about the ‘falling man from the twin towers’.   

My son was found dead at the bottom of a high-rise block of flats, apparently, from ‘falling from the thirteenth floor of a high story building’, two floors underneath the home of my disgusting brother.  

He had no broken bones!  

The conflicting story told to me by Danny’s neighbour and the behaviour of Christopher Turnbull, Morna Turnbull (thankfully deceased), Jenny Hutton and Alan McCune immediately after his death, and in the last three years, to me, point to murder. I have always known it, and their behaviour shows they are hiding something. 

Why did they tell Police Scotland they were my son’s next of kin? 

Why did Police Scotland take my narcissistic mother and neurotic sister to see my son’s body in the morgue before they informed me? 

Why did Colin Boyd refuse to give me a reason to not investigate? 

Why did Police Scotland not interview the only legally responsible parent of a dead child? 

Why did Colin Boyd, eighteen years later, try to silence me and have me stalked around the world, via Police Scotland, the FCDO and the IPT court? 

On what legal ground can a police force have an immigration officer interview someone suspected of something dodgy, without giving them the right to defence from a criminal lawyer?  

Professor Gill and I asked Swiss immigration for a full copy of the interviews (recorded, transcribed into French and English, confirmed by my signature to be true), which should have been contained in my asylum file:  They refused to send them. 

Christopher Turnbull is one of my disgusting brothers whom the City of Edinburgh Council repeatedly pass my details to. Without my consent. The same disgusting person I cut out of my life and Danny’s life when Danny was two years old. The same disgusting person who, along with my mother, told Police Scotland that they were my son’s next of kin. The same disgusting person who could have been the last person to see him alive and the same disgusting person who has been stalking me, courtesy of the City of Edinburgh Council, Police Scotland, the IPT Court (Colin Boyd) and the FCDO. I will come to the Turnbull’s narcissistic psychopathy later.  The only reason I don’t go into it now is because narcissists and psychopaths want everything (even my life and the death of my child) to be about them!  Their narcissism, and police incompetence, has cost me my life, my son’s life and my rights as a loving mother to have a normal life. 

So, I know exactly what is supposed to happen, intimately, theoretically, practically and politically, now procedurally in the UK and in Europe.  I understand the justice system as a graduate and post-graduate, not as a previous user of the justice system prior to my son’s murder! In Edinburgh University we studied European politics, the European Union, the European Court of Human Rights, the Maastricht Treaty, etc. as part of the degree. 

Since 2005 however, I have to had personally try to use the British justice system, multiple times (Crown and Prosecution Service of Scotland (COPFS) – 2005/6) – a year after my first degree from Edinburgh University.  I had tried and believed that when a child died it should at least work then. I had tried and half-believed a specialist court, monitoring illegal surveillance (the Investigatory Powers Tribunal – 2021 – 2023) would at least give me legal representation and the chance to speak. I used the processes I had believed were there to protect innocent people.  Every single time I was treated like a criminal. The more I challenged the system and people in the system the more global my persecution became, and the more intense and disturbed it became. 

Since asking for asylum in Switzerland, the ‘secret, illegal reports’ have been circulated to people with tremendous power in Switzerland, whose English is not more than A2 level, and this gave many sick people outrageous opportunity to damage me in ways you cannot imagine.  Stupid people.  Sadistic people. Unprofessional people. Unethical people. Compromised people.  People who do not understand the justice system in the UK, or even English.  I was thrown to the wolves because of reports written by disgusting and aggressive officers in Police Scotland (because I tried to report crimes in Iraq and I tried to make a missing person report; and, of course, after being refused and treated very aggressively by Scottish Police, before and after having made multiple complaints).  

A quick word on the culture within institutions. 

If we imagine that the systems in the UK and Europe are not occupied by these kinds of individuals and wish to see them as some kind of opaque, ethereal ‘entity’ then we admonish the individuals which make up these institutions and they escape the consequences of their obtuse and sadistic lies, decisions and behaviours.  Institutions are people, not ‘entities’.  Although you could argue that the culture within them can promote a sick way of behaving, the culture is made by people and policies written by people.  It is not ‘alive’ and not even an ethnographic researcher or anthropologist would argue a human culture exists without people.  People are the culture and the culture is the people.  Institutions have cultures which are created, reinforced, and broken by people and other institutions. They do not exist without people willing to enforce it.  People need to be identified and held to account within these cultures. 

Oct 2023 – I went to Switzerland to expose the abuses I was experiencing because nobody would give me reason or justification for anything. 

Predicting what the continued consequences of ‘secret’ reports and hidden networks with global reach (IPT, FCDO, Police Scotland reach, into potentially everything I do and still do) would continue to do on my life and my now-ruined career, I decided to force the result (consequence) myself and took another option (UK justice failed again to provide me with anything).  In theory, my asylum claim should have been successful. I should have been granted a temporary asylum on the basis I asked for it. If only to allow me to work without being stalked by anyone in the City of Edinburgh Council or Police Scotland (on behalf of those higher up).  Or, to allow me to live and write.  You cannot do this without a passport. 

Explicitly understanding the clear intent (from experience in China and Iraq) and the predictable, continued direction of the lies being written and recorded about me (started in 2005 from the Turnbulls, Boyd, the Barzanis and Police Scotland); which were then repeated in the IPT courts, and forcing the consequences of such lies, allowed me to expose multiple things they had done and were doing.  They refused to accept responsibility for anything and, due to this denial, would continue to do so, if I continued to work globally and try to behave ‘as normal’.  I had already proven that this would happen, and I had already been ruined because of these lies, circulated outside the UK.  That is why I asked for an Appeal. To stop this repeated abuse, ruining the rest of my life.  I life I had created out of nothing and after the murder of my child. 

I made a request for asylum. 

I entered Switzerland via a cheap flight the morning after (October 2023) I received the decision from Judge Colin Tyre, stating that I could not have an appeal, and especially because of the phrase, ‘You cannot take this any further.  Your right of appeal ends here. (This interprets as: You did not have the right to defend yourself in the IPT case in Dec 2022.  You did not have the automatic right to a lawyer in the appeal hearing.  You do not have any right to the information we used to come to our decision in Dec 2022.  And, you have no human right to appeal this decision in the last court, the ECHR. You have no human rights at all. This is the basis, in Europe, for asking for asylum and it is enshrined in UK law also.  What I did not know is that every single European country has a catch in their law which says, ‘No European country can give asylum to a citizen from another European country (regardless of persecution)’.  This shows extreme political selectiveness, not based on human rights, but based on loyalty and global politics.  It is simply a them and us system: westerners via others. Citizens via the elites. Mark Carney (Canadian Prime Minister) admitted it recently at a WEF meeting:  We were lying about how the old international rule of law was applied to everyone fairly.  It was not.  We will be using a new system (same system, new words) now. 

In our appeal request meeting, Judge Colin Tyre actually said, ‘People have tried (to take an appeal to the ECHR) before and failed.’  I found Tyre flippant, condescending, obtuse, detached from empathy and any understanding about my destroyed career and life, and assuming.  In his written decision he suggested I use the ‘Citizens Advice Bureau (CAB) to help me’.  But, as I did not normally live in the UK and had absolutely no plans to live in the UK (and had left the UK in 2013 and again in 2021 at tremendous expense (3000 plus pounds) after being stuck there due to the pandemic), especially considering what the British state had done to me outside the UK, why would I spend the next ten years using a process that does not work and especially when I know all of the processes I can use which are repeatedly denied to me? And, given, at this point, absolutely nobody had told me why I was under surveillance, why I was denied legal representation and why everyone appeared to be breaking fundamental British laws and international laws.  WHAT exactly would I be going to the CAB to ask?  Nobody would admit what I knew had happened. 

I am not/was not incapacitated.  I had understood or learned and used all the processes that should have worked.  It wasn’t that I wasn’t capable.  It was that the system refused to perform its function of providing information I am entitled to and offer redress.  

You must admit lack of capacity to stop us harassing you.  

Individualise, medicalise and pathologize your normal behaviour and normal requests.  A form of sadism and anti-human pseudo-science. Specifically for dissenters. 

The medicalisation of dissenters is documented in many books throughout history.   

When the system refuses to admit to fault, it moves on to the next abuse, using ideologies and theories, unproven and possible even unprovable. Just ideas and beliefs dressed up as facts – like ‘gender’, for example. These ideas are about belief and are so prevalent in society that the arguments for them, even though they are tautological, exist in just about every mind in Western society now.  

When you refuse to agree with a society’s base ideas (philosophical, political, behavioural, modern medicine) processes within the culture of that society (with the help of people who are blind to what other explanations exist or willing to lie), withing the system need you to claim you are incapable of doing ‘normal’ things.  This is in order to control your desire for justice and to give those sadists, incompetents and narcissists in the system the opportunity to claim ‘compassion’ after sadism (intentional or unintentional). It is to resolve their cognitive dissonance because otherwise they would have to admit to great harm of people who do not and did not conform to a very misguided and myopic way of seeing humanity. It takes away their responsibility and accountability. It is a very strong desire and motivator to people who have caused great harm to avoid the catastrophe of what they have done.  It is also to satisfy those with huge egos, sadistic attitudes and behaviours to show that they cannot harm you directly after you expose them, so they will force you to harm yourself, by demanding that you claim ‘incapacity, lack of ability’. The system is designed this way. The culture in the west works this way. Court cases cannot go ahead unless harm can be proven. Deviance from this norm is considered abnormal.  Therefor anyone with a belief in Buddhism is considered fundamentally abnormal.   

What if you are a resilient person who heals but wants justice or believe western cultures suffer from a disturbing malaise? 

This is social control.  It is very much the way the British have acted around the world during colonialism.  It is the British character. 

“We have come steal from you.  We believe you should believe you are incapable of being civilized.  We will take everything we want, and you will be grateful. We will oppress or kill you if you disagree.”  

I refuse to admit that I am incapacitated in any way, because I am not, except that I have been made penniless, jobless and homeless by people who are intellectually stunted. 

Torture in Switzerland 

The majority of asylum seekers are tortured in Switzerland. I am not alone, but my specific kind of torture is a western kind of torture, and very specific to me, which foreign asylum seekers do not and did not experience.  Many were aware that I was being treated differently and much worse than they were and many, many of them exploited this to cause me very great harm, especially the foreigners and Muslims working (paid) in the asylum centres. In ORS – the European organization paid to manage asylum centres. 

The daily barbarity of many very feral, uneducated foreign men and women I shared rooms with and the barbarity and sadism of ORS staff I will describe. The asylum centres are dominated and staffed by non-western foreigners. It was confronting for other asylum seekers, and it caused enormous suspicion to see a westerner living amongst the other asylum seekers.  It made them extremely paranoid and extremely suspicious.  I was accused of being a reporter, a spy and a covert immigration officer, working for other countries as well as the Swiss; by staff and asylum seekers. There were some nice ORS staff who could confirm the paranoia of some of the foreign security and ORS staff.  Swiss and European staff made up about 20% of staff. 

As well as dealing with the barbaric conditions, I had to sit and listen to multiple very fake tales from people who assumed I had never worked in some of the countries they were coming from and did not understand the difference between economic migrants and genuine asylum seekers.  Their naivety led them to tell me the biggest tales which immigration officers clearly had no way of checking or verifying.  There were many serious criminals, sexual offenders, seriously mentally ill and extremely violent people, with extremist views and a genuine, unhinged hatred of Europe. 

Those criminals, and there are many who managed to work the system and say everything immigration officers were looking for, knew intimately what to say and do to be accepted. I listened to many conversations and justifications from asylum seekers telling me why their right to asylum was justified.  These were the ‘nice’ ones.  These were the ones who thought they should at least offer an explanation.  Many feel that just being from a country (not at war) gave them automatic right. Many were just reading a script. Some tried to tell me what to say.  

Having lived around the world, and in Iraq during war times, I know war does not automatically mean your life is at risk.  Iraq, in 2014 when I lived there, was one of the safest places on earth, contrary to what western media reported.  Yezidis were at risk everywhere, but non-Yezidis could often live safely in many parts of Iraq.  The myth that everyone living in a country at war should automatically be considered a potential asylum seeker is a misnomer. 

In my second asylum centre I was forced, as an only woman, to sleep in a bed, in the middle of an open sleeping space for men.  Men who had not been interviewed.  Men who liked to violently attack each other.  Murderers.  Rapists.  Paedophiles.  Unvetted and dangerous men.  The man who told me to do this was an Arab working for ORS.  He claimed, after I sat almost silent in the two days, I was there, in a women’s room: 

‘You have upset every single man in this asylum centre.  You have offended every single man! You must leave Switzerland right now!  I will call immigration and tell them you will come and get your passport.’ 

(An impossibility, given I had not spoken to hardly anyone except the security guards!)

His reaction was due to the fact Police Scotland and the FCDO, via Switzerland, had circulated their lies to every single asylum camp I stayed in.  Knowing it would get me assaulted.  Knowing the same ethnicities working and living in the camps would share this information (criticising Barzanis and Islam and the UK.

I called the local Swiss police who told him he had no right to tell me to leave a country that was not even officially his country! 

To be continued…

Lucy in Between, in depth, part 1

This is a guest post written by Ms Lucy Turnbull. Her case is complex and cannot be explained better than in her own words. We at Science 4 Justice (NL) have verified the recounted facts as far as is possible. The opinions are Lucy’s. This post follows a post on the general aspects of her case. It is the first of a series of four or five posts, recounting events roughly in reverse chronological order.

This version is posted Saturday, 11 July, by Richard Gill. It is a copy of a post of her own, on her own website https://www.lucyinbetween.com/

(That website was itself financially supported by Science 4 Justice-nl.)


Working backwards – 2026 to 2005

I (Lucy Turnbull) will work backwards in my account of what has happened to me since my son was murdered in 2005, aged only sixteen years old. This is to give you an idea of how I got to the place I am currently in, because without this background you will not understand anything and you will probably think I am crazy or making stuff up.  I am not. 

My son’s name is (was) Dixie Daniel (Danny) Turnbull and I would post a picture of my wonderful son but the mementos I have of my children are in storage in Edinburgh.  I had a hard drive which I carried everywhere with me since 2013. In 2025, it was stolen by a Russian in an asylum camp in Croatia (during my third forced request for asylum refugee status). The hard drive had everything on it and kept me close to my children and my life as a loving mother.  Now I only have the storage.  Danny was very smart; very, very talented and funny.  He could mimic any accent, and he was a comic genius. in my humble, biased opinion, of course.  He was very popular at school, and he could be a bit of a rogue, deliberately causing mischief if he felt he or someone else was being treated badly.  Good teachers (Sheila Mayberry) could channel that energy into positive things; bad teachers punished Danny for speaking up. He was far more intelligent than many of his teachers.

I believe I instilled this moral attitude in him (fighting injustice) due to the moral battles I had with my disgusting family as a new and young mother (22). Due to my decision to limit their contact with my children, to protect my boys (Around 1991, but I made the mistake of thinking I could control my narcissistic mother, giving her limited and conditional access A mistake that cost Danny his life!). I will try my best not to give these Turnbull narcissists the time of day here and hopefully you will see why when I am finished. 

Don’t let that introduction distract you. I am writing this story from multiple perspectives. 

From the current situation. 

I am living in extreme poverty (living on the generosity of friends who have provided accommodation; food often; but on roughly two to three Euros a day), in Asia, and only manage to feed myself and have a roof due to the kindness of Science for Justice, Netherlands and Professor Gill. This poverty is as a result of persecution and being denied asylum in Switzerland, Croatia and Bosnia (a two-year journey – Oct 2023 to Aug 2025).  It is not as a result of being mentally incapable or incapacitated. On leaving Switzerland (Dec 2024) I translated a book and left with one thousand Euros, which would have set me up somewhere else, if I had had my passport. So, my current poverty is also as the result of having my passport kidnapped by Switzerland who kept it even, after I left Switzerland, for an additional eight months, after repeated lies and illegal demands from them, saying: 

You can have your passport if you agree to leave and give us tickets. We did; they still refused. 

After they refused to follow that rule, they then said, to a very expensive Swiss lawyer: 

You can only have your passport if you supply us with tickets PLUS show us that you have a one-year residency visa (an impossibility without your passport). 

You can read about this on my website, kindly paid for by Science for Justice:  www.lucyinbetween.com Here is the letter in French.

I left Switzerland on foot as a result.  Crossed European borders, all the way to Serbia, on my own, without a passport. One of their stipulations was that I was to leave the Schengen area – again I complied and again they denied my passport in Sarajevo. The Swiss government only agreed to return it after Professor Gill asked them for it.  

So, after claiming they would only return it to me after I submitted tickets and a residency visa, they then sent it to Professor Gill, in another country to me, without any explanation at all.  They sent it because they were afraid of Richard Gill, not because I was not making valid arguments, or that my Swiss friends were not making valid arguments, or because I was not complying with their illegal demands, but because Richard has status, connections, influence and is not afraid to challenge those in power. 

The (correct) perception of Professor Richard Gill, to be able to ‘see things more clearly and objectively’ is, in my opinion not just down to his above average intelligence, but also mainly down to his status, record of success and his morality. However, a society built on status is one which looks to status for answers and forgets about being humane sometimes. My status was removed from me. My knowledge, wisdom and personal experience, even my qualifications were questioned. I was treated, without evidence as a liar. It was/is persecution. 

Perception has come into sharp focus for me since 2020 and I have gained insights into the fallibility of human perception due to these sudden and dramatic changes in my status. These changes were not due to changes in my personality but due to my status and personal history, being denied and twisted (misrepresented) and a character assassination by the British State (FCDO; Police Scotland; IPT Court in London and Edinburgh), who have used every means possible to try and silence me! 

Professor Gill 

I asked Professor Richard Gill (a one in a million person whom I managed to get the attention of, miraculously) because his Netherlands Not for Profit and his history demonstrated to me that he has excellent tenacity (stubbornness – a value and character I also hold), unusual compassion and objectivity of the highest scientific kind (though he has made some serious errors in his public assertions, which he has apologized for and I forgave him). I knew all of this because of his past achievements, which are multiple and correctly documented.   A lot of my story, I believe, is down to people with similar status, influence and reach to Richard Gill but with less integrity; and my story is mainly about corruption of many kinds.

Switzerland is as corrupt as the UK. 

As I write about my recent experiences, from 2020 to today, I want you to be aware as I write that my child was murdered, that no state actor (police, Judge Colin Boyd, the Crown and Prosecution Service of Scotland (COPFS)) gave the slightest bit of concern concerning the murder of my child or for the rights of my other, ten-year-old son, to be treated with dignity and respect. Losing a most cherished and loved brother, his idol, at ten years old, devastated my sensitive and gentle son.  It also ruined our relationship when his father decided, at 17 years old, that he wanted to be a ‘family man’ and persuaded a naïve and kind child to live with him and his new wife, to prove to her he was a ‘responsible parent’.  A largely sudden change of character! 

We had had an argument, a very rare thing between myself and my youngest son.  And then he left.  He was 17.  I have seen him twice since then. I went searching for him and found him twice. HE refused to speak to me, walking away from me, saying nothing. He is 32 years old this year.  His teenage years and his time growing into a man, was also taken from me, by his nasty father.  I was denied the very basic right to watch both my precious boys from growing up. Danny from aged 16 and my other son from aged 17. I sacrificed everything for my children and gave them everything. That relationship is now irreparable. 

What was my life as a mother about?  To support murderers?  To support abusive fathers who only turned up when it was convenient for them?  To support an abusive, sadistic, and incompetent justice system? To support bent judges? To simply shut up or be what – locked up, silenced?  All of these. 

But, as I said, don’t let the story of my murdered child let you think this is all this series of blog posts is about.  That would be wrong.  My story is about corruption, devastation caused by corrupt, immoral and sadistic people in power and sadism from the same people.  It is also about how these people stalked me around the world, looking for reasons and ways to silence and destroy me. People who are supposed to do the opposite of that – restore justice! 

Danny’s murder was deliberately covered up, and I knew this from the moment I was told he was dead by the youngest police officers they could find (deliberately chosen I believe to demonstrate a lack of respect to me as his mother). This is a pattern I have seen towards me from Police Scotland and Colin Boyd for 21 years – in Edinburgh and in his now new post as Vice President of the Investigatory Powers Tribunal.  The lengths they have gone to try to shut me up will be unbelievable to you.   

It wasn’t through a lack of effort on my part to try to hold these people to account after my son was murdered.  His murder was covered up.  I was refused an investigation.  I was denied absolutely any reason from Judge Colin Boyd, who felt no moral compulsion to explain why no Fatal Accident Inquiry would take place into the sudden death (an insulting term – MURDER) of my sixteen-year-old boy. We were deliberately brutalized by the system.  Me. The mother and only parent of my first child. The only parent who was there from birth to death.  The only one.  Alone. The only parent who was there for his devastated little brother. His brother was deeply hurt, and I am confident it shaped his personality as a man.  My youngest son’s mostly absent father, went on holiday on the day of Danny’s funeral and told him:  Not to cry!  So, he abandoned his only son when his son needed him the most. 

As a single parent, for the most part, from 1989 to 2005 (until 2011 – 22 years), I bought my house, got a Masters’ Degree in Sociology, did a CELTA, worked all the time around my children’s school times, worked for the Scottish Government whilst studying at Edinburgh University.  For my boys.  Three months after I did my first CELTA, in 2005, someone murdered my son.  I believe they did it out of jealousy, and I believe they did it because I was trying my best to leave Scotland with both my children. 

To be happy. 

As a result of this brutal and callous cover up, I decided to wait! Wait for the right moment, when I thought i would safe, where I could start to write.  That place was China, in 2022, seventeen years after my son was murdered.  I waited seventeen years. 

But this isn’t a story just about the most devastating thing a parent can experience.  The death, or even worse, the murder of their child.  This is about much more than that.  This is also about Judge Colin Boyd, who was the Procurator Fiscal of Scotland in 2005. It is also about the Investigative Powers Tribunal (IPT) who used my son’s murder to try to silence me in 2022 and 2023 (I was the plaintiff). 

It is ‘known lies‘ that have been written about me by those in the justice system which are intended to cause harm, and that is one of the reasons I got in touch with Professor Richard Gill.  His campaign for Lucy Letby, a completely innocent person, and the lies told to parents that their children were murdered, share parallels with my own life story about how a corrupt system intentionally destroys the lives of innocent people because they challenge authority and the status quo (the preferred narrative).  What is happening to Lucy Letby is a story of brutality.  In my opinion, deliberate, sadistic persecution for the benefit of those in positions of power, including and especially, JUDGES and POLICE.  I escaped; Lucy did not. 

This is about my exposure to widespread corruption involving the IPT Court, the Foreign and Commonwealth Development Office (FCDO) and multiple embassies around the world (I left the UK in 2013) circulating disgusting, baseless, dangerous lies which I believe started with Judge Colin Boyd in 2005 and continued with Boyd in the IPT court in 2022.  Lies he used, and I am absolutely confident, intended to use, to silence me whenever or if ever I became a ‘problem’.  It is also about the complicity of the City of Edinburgh Council and ‘experts’ employed by the FCDO. 

To give you some idea about how long and how bad this got, I requested political asylum in Switzerland (the biggest mistake I ever made), in October 2023, just after my attempted IPT Appeal in the Scottish Inner House of the High Court (which was refused).  I asked for asylum on the solid basis that I was being persecuted for exposing corruption in the justice system, global corruption involving the Barzanis of Kurdistan, Iraq and in the US courts. The lies which became far more visible to me when I was in China, when I began to be asked questions about these lies, openly, by HR in the Chinese University I worked for in Beijing.

I requested asylum on the basis many asylum seekers do, except I had legal evidence and I provided it: 

I was being persecuted, silenced and denied my right to legal defence and told I had no more human rights (officially – in the IPT court’s official refusal to grant me an appeal against the IPT Decision that ‘Nothing illegal took place’ regarding the surveillance I was put under by Police Scotland after I returned from Iraq in 2020) and that I could not appeal to the European Court of Human Rights.  My ‘right to appeal ends here (Judge Colin Tyre)’, in Scotland, in 2023. 

Tortured in Switzerland on behalf of Starmer and the FCDO

I was deliberately tortured in Switzerland, on behalf of the British FCDO, Sir Keir Starmer and Police Scotland and in complicity with every single foreign minister from October 2023 to this very day.  Every single foreign minister is aware of what has happened to me, is complicit in not stopping it and is now complicit in supporting the lies the FCDO have circulated about me and are still circulating about me.  The FCDO, along with Foreign Ministers and Prime Ministers, are the only people who have far enough reach (through embassies) to ruin someone’s life like that, globally.  I will provide the evidence as I retell my story, some of which is already available on my website: www.lucyinbetween.com

Foreign Ministers in the UK – Oct 2023 to August 2025.

Switzerland refused me asylum, on the basis that, ‘the UK has a functioning justice system where I can challenge false assertions made about me’.  This assertion was concretely disproven to me in asylum interviews in Switzerland and when the nice immigration officer first interviewed me for three hours, around November 2023. 

Instead of asking me why I was seeking asylum, she interviewed me as if I was guilty of something, on behalf of Police Scotland, who never interviewed me when my son was murdered. Police Scotland asked them to follow a line of questioning to try to traumatize me and to let me know they could harass me wherever I went. This is their MO. They got Swiss immigration to ask questions they should have asked when my son died but the questions were along the lines of:  

You are guilty of neglect or abuse.  

You did not raise your own children.  

Your ‘family’ raised your children. 

What kind people they are! 

Both your children are dead!  

(This was the same line of questioning I had from an HR woman in China, in 2022, a year after I left Scotland (in the middle of the pandemic and at a cost of over 3000 pounds to me) and started a new job, and after Jeremy Balfour told me I had been secretly (and therefore illegally) put on a VPD (Vulnerable Persons Database) after trying to report Barzani crimes. The police officer committed malfeasance by committing fraud. I made a Subject Access Request as soon I Jeremy Balfour told me this and Police Scotland refused it, on the basis: it was part of an ongoing investigation. 

This turned out to be the weaponisation of mental health legislation by Police Scotland. This document was used to torture me in Switzerland and was circulated to every country I have been to, since 2023. Making assertions about the mental health of a woman who has complained about a police officer(s) being misogynistic and abusive, was done secretly; he lied about me giving him consent; and they then circulated this ‘widely’ claiming I consented. 

Because a lot of mental health theory is pseudoscientific and therefore difficult to disprove, and because he claimed I ‘knew about what he had done and gave consent’ everyone who read it thought I was a liar! They thought I knew what they knew because he claimed I gave consent! It is/was impossible to challenge. It becomes ‘He who has power controls the narrative’. His intention was to slander me in order to make me look less reliable, credible and to undermine me. He ruined my career which was built on being a very honest, caring, professional woman, internationally with deep integrity.

The lies they (Police Scotland; the FCDO; Starmer) would have told Swiss immigration to follow that line of questioning are very obvious. They followed the lies the IPT made about me; Colin Boyd made about me (in 2005) and Police Scotland, more recently in 2020 (when I returned to make an official record of Barzani’s crimes) made about me.  

Your son died this morning!’ October 2005 

Police Scotland, in 2005, when my eldest child died, did not interview me or even speak to me except to tell me – your son died this morning (I asked them not to say anything and to write it down because I could not hear the words I knew they were about to tell me.  Police do not come to your door in that manner except to tell you of a death. It was the third death I was informed of in five years. By two stupid police officers.)  What police Scotland did after this, in 2021 was so brutal and the horrendous lies they told, which they then circulated to China, destroyed my happiness.  The deliberate sadism destroyed my happiness, and it still takes my happiness, which I worked hard to gain.  It was not easy. I had to leave the UK to do so in 2013. 

Only once, when I tried for a third time to make a missing person report about my son in 2021 (which they eventually accepted) did Police Scotland apologise for the way they handled that request. Are Police Scotland competent at anything but messing people around, lying, being misogynistic, obtuse and subverting legal processes to protect citizens’ rights? A police officer deliberately left a recorded message on my phone saying: 

Who the fuck does she think we are? 

If her son left her when he was a kid, she has no right to know where he is.  What the fuck are we supposed to do! Eh! (along those lines) 

(Why did he think I did not raise my own children? Who told him that?) 

His abusive message was recorded in my voice messages, which they tried to deny.  Only because of this did they ‘apologise’. They did not even acknowledge my other complaints and tried to remove the word ‘misogyny’ from the one they did (partly) reply to. 

Allied relationship – supporting each other. 

So, when the British state (FCDO, prime minister, Boyd, Police Scotland) realized I was in an allied country asking for asylum on the basis of persecution, they asked Switzerland to ask me questions the Scottish Police had not asked in 2005, in order to claim:  We asked these questions. Look, we have the facts correct (gained illegally from the Swiss).  (Swiss immigration have refused to release all of my asylum file – this is illegal under Swiss law. They have refused to send the transcripts of the interviews – two interviews.)

No doubt Police Scotland have destroyed everything that contradicts their true behaviour, since 2005, when they denied me an interview and denied me an investigation, as the mother of a murdered child! They will have replaced it with some of the facts, which they obtained illegally, and did so in a very insensitive way, in an interview where I am asking for protection from their persecution. 

It is global corruption.  Asking one state to interview someone who has never been accused of a crime, when that person is asking for protection, goes against all asylum rules.  Switzerland was in constant contact with the UK, and I was told this repeatedly, by multiple Swiss state actors.  The UK (Police Scotland, the IPT court, Boyd and Tyre, and the FCDO) was being deliberately embarrassed and exposed by me and the response was to try and silence me, again. I went to Switzerland to ask for protection and to deliberately expose their corruption. Their communications, lies, stupidity (I believe this is their biggest shame to them – not their obtuseness or incompetency – idiocy) and my evidence, were exposing their barbarity. They were desperately trying to ‘recover their reputation’, manipulating the Swiss government by claiming it was ‘for my own good’, whilst deliberately traumatizing me by forcing the Swiss to interview me about the most devastating event of my life, eighteen years after denying me justice, when I was asking for asylum on the basis of the current sadistic treatment and denial of my human rights.  I had no opportunity to defend myself because I was not being openly accused of anything because they were subverting the rule of law and getting an innocent immigration officer, in another country, to interview me about a murder! 

How more illegal can it be? 

I answered the questions in the first Swiss interview on the basis that this was a private immigration interview and I described my feelings and how it affected me.  I did not describe what actually happened because I was not told the interview was part of a ‘police investigation’, which it was!  I was being set up! 

No doubt they claimed, which is a generous idea on my part, that this was to get to the bottom of things, for ‘my own good’.  It was not.  At the end of the first interview, I asked the Swiss immigration officer why they had not asked me why I was asking for asylum and only then was I granted a real asylum interview! The Swiss were complicit from the moment I entered Switzerland. 

In the second interview, the British sent a British spy, and she tried to change my statement! Right in front of the immigration officer – this will be recorded in the official record, which as I said, has been refused to me by Swiss Immigration! 

This refusal has resulted in the ECHR denying me the opportunity to submit an ECHR submission on the basis: You must exhaust all avenues in the originating country. 

This is not possible if the institutions in originating countries refuse to respond, refuse to give the information and you have nothing to represent to the ECHR to comply! 

The ECHR is just another level of corruption it seems.

Swiss judge:  The UK has a functioning justice system. 

The claim that the UK has a functioning justice system is farcical for anyone with half a brain. 

The UK does not have a functioning justice system. I used all available means available to me, without the right to legal counsel in the IPT case and appeal; because Colin Boyd (who had moved from the Scottish courts to the IPT Court) did not even invite me to the court (again, he silenced me)’ and because I did not have hundreds of thousands for the privilege of a legal expert on the Appeal and could not find one willing to represent me. By the time I got to the IPT Appeal request I was financially ruined (the only way I could actually pursue an appeal in fact) – I believe this was the intention; I had had to return from China (I was stalked all the way by anonymous Scottish police officers on social media) and had to request temporary accommodation from the City of Edinburgh Council.  I had to live in the most vomit covered (literally), tobacco-stenching, dope-smelling, drug-addict, alcohol-addict filled council accommodation maintained by aggressive and abusive, highly paid landlords for three months, while I wrote and submitted my appeal. Without social assistance. Almost impossible conditions.  Deliberate, as intended by Alastair Jack, the Conservative Secretary of State, who knew who I was and would absolutely have known I was returning to Scotland.  As I said, I worked in the Scottish Government and Parliament.  I know what communications are passed and I know how!  I also worked and campaigned for the Scottish National Party, before it became so depraved and corrupted. 

But I did it. I submitted a detailed and coherent appeal – it is on my website (www.lucyinbetween.com).As I said, I was denied any kind of social financial support, even though I paid tax all my life in the UK.  I went on hunger strike as a temporary protest and was told by the council social fund: We will not give you money for food because it is your choice not to eat. 

I was told I had no official right to any financial support on the basis: You do not normally reside in the UK. 

My life was deliberately being made hell, and I was forced also to start another court case against the Secretary of State who responded after two months in the UK: It was a mistake.  You are entitled to support as a British citizen! 

Did they offer compensation for this deliberate ‘mistake’? 

They were trying to break me and destroy me. The system is designed to de-incentivize and break your will. 

So, during this time (July 2023 to October 2023), under this duress, I still learned, by myself, how to submit an appeal. This demonstrates my strength of mind, under extreme duress, which the FCDO had repeatedly questioned, and still do, since I started to write about corruption in Iraq, in 2018. The extremes this inevitably took, whilst in Switzerland, will be detailed in another blog.  This was their intention.  This is what persecution is: character assassination. 

I could not find a lawyer to represent me for the appeal.  The frequent response was: We have no expertise in this subject (the first IPT appeal request in Scotland). So, I successfully submitted an appeal request by myself.  Went to meet Judge Colin Tyre, who immediately said to me: You cannot discuss anything that happened after your IPT Court secret case decision in Dec 2022 and denied me an Appeal against the decision (‘nothing illegal took place’).  In other words, even though I had written a detailed report detailing what the FCDO and British Embassy in Beijing did to me in China (and Iraq), and my court case in China (again, I was plaintiff), in my appeal, he did not want me to discuss the incompetence of the IPT judges in front of witnesses in Scotland. He did not want a verbatim record of me stating what he knows I know, clearly and concisely in a court.  Again, he wanted to cover up for his mate (Colin Boyd), the police and the FCDO.  Both Boyd and Tyre, joined the Scottish High Court at the same time, so of course both know each other, intimately! 

It’s not what you know; it’s who you know. 

‘COPFS – We do not keep the records of the ‘sudden death’ of sixteen-year-old children from 18 years ago!’ 

When Danny died, I made requests to the COPFS to ask why they were not investigating the murder of my son.  No reason was given. (Boyd’s flippant response is in one of my badly written books on KDP).  A book written with the intention of reporting the facts of my childhood. It wasn’t written from the heart.  It wasn’t written for therapeutic reasons – I got over the shitty childhood in Scotland like the majority of women in Scotland get over the misogynistic, shitty childhood we had. In fact, when Danny was 3-5 years, I was involved in a magazine which was specifically campaigning on behalf of children in Scotland – I had gotten over it so much I was a campaigner for those without a voice! 

(This last point is very important when I tell you what happened to me in Switzerland and how the FCDO illegally obtained a document, from someone in Switzerland after I left.  A document which was destroyed by a Swiss judge, in front of seven witnesses, which the FCDO then circulated globally to try to make me look like an unhinged, pathological liar and to stop me getting asylum protection anywhere.) 

So, after leaving shitty Scotland in 2013 I was forced to return, in 2023, because of the stupidity and corruption of idiots in Scotland and the UK.    

In 2023, when returning briefly to challenge the IPT decision, I, again, made requests for the documents related to the investigation into the decision by Judge Colin Boyd and was told by the COPFS:  We do not keep the records of sudden deaths of sixteen-year-old boys in Scotland.  Your criticism of us and your emails could be considered abusive

The source of all of this grief, cover up, corruption, abuse of power and persecution is Judge Colin Boyd, which started in 2005, at the most devastating time of my life, and continues to this day.  My poverty and situation are the result his moral degeneracy, incapacity and corruption.  It is not as the result of a malfunction on my part. I am being persecuted for telling multiple, global truths. 

Boyd abused his position of power to cover up the murder of my sixteen-year-old boy, and he knows that I know.  That is enough motive for Boyd to stalk me, ruin me and try to have me permanently silenced.  His whole career would be tarnished, again. In fact, multiple people in Scotland want me to ‘shut up’, because no doubt their careers were largely influenced by their behaviour and lies during the cover up of my child’s murder. And now! I have no doubt the murderer(s) and those who covered it up have not had their careers interrupted and would put money on the fact some of them are still in the City of Edinburgh Council and may now be at the very top of the money tree. 

The City of Edinburgh Council, in their infantile, narcissistic and psychotic way, still stalk me around the world, claiming their behaviour is:  routine, normal and not specifically for me.  But they still refuse to answer FOI requests about their behaviour so I can compare it to the way they treat other people they retain inaccurate information about. 

IF there was any justice in the UK and IF, the justice system actually worked.   

IF he/they cared, which he/they do not.   

I believe Boyd is a psychopath and an extremist, British Nationalist.  If you look at the multiple, high-profile miscarriages of justice he has been involved in, which are cases like mine involving criticising the justice system and state police. I am absolutely sure is willingly involved in right now (as VP of the IPT), you can see his corruption and callousness is encouraged by a state which continues to employ him.  

Just another example of a dysfunctional and morally corrupt justice system.   

Next post coming soon… 

False Narratives: The sadistic use of Confirmation Bias and Cognitive Dissonance by the British Establishment to silence dissent and persecute the people

Guest post by Lucy-in-Between

Editorial note: “Lucy-in-Between” is a pseudonym of Lucy Turnbull. Under another pseudonym, Morna Constable, she has published two books about her life on Amazon’s Kindle platform, and we recommend them heartily. We at Science 4 Justice -NL have checked all the facts she reports here as best as we could. Lucy’s opinions are her own. In our opinion, her opinions are well justified.

Richard Gill, 10 July 2026.


Competing narratives and confirmation bias.

Power and powerlessness!

In this blog post for Science for Justice (NL) I [Lucy Turnbull] am using mainly two psychological theories, confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance to explain why ordinary people have been fooled into believing the lies about me coming from the British state.  I am arguing that it is a deliberate use of these psychological phenomena to manipulate people:  the use of the culturally developed biases (inculcated by States) of ordinary people, to turn people against dissenters and victimize innocent people, sadistically. I am arguing that the British state uses these tactics to control, oppress, interrupt or silence dissent.  In my case, and many other cases, they have used these strategies to torture me. They are very effective!

I believe the ideas here can be extrapolated to many miscarriages of justice where people believe it is ‘accidental’ or ‘incompetence’; I am arguing it is deliberate manipulation and sadism! The manipulation of narratives and ideas to persecute innocent people.

 The establishment (police; judiciary; politicians; powerful people; lazy people; immoral people) are doing it intentionally.  They (the establishment) are using courts, the police, other institutions and societal procedures to do this; and colluding with their allies also.  These institutions at the heart of a democratic society are, apparently, meant to support a just and fair society; where ‘mistakes’, malfeasance or downright criminal and sadistic behaviour, can be investigated objectively and justice restored for innocent people. Fair and just are fundamental blocks of a functioning democracy. The UK is not functioning as a democracy.

I hope it is clear, that I am asserting none of the clear and public, current patterns of oppression towards the British people are because of ‘mistakes’.  ‘Just doing my job’ was the excuse given during Nazi Germany when millions of Jews were gassed to death. 

At my most generous you could assert ‘weaponised incompetence’, in some instances, but this is only a distraction.  Bureaucrats, state actors and institutions are being encouraged to be sadistic to British people and to see them as ‘the problem to be silenced’.

Visual diagrams of how narratives interact with the truth.

I want to make this blog post as short and concise as possible, so that the confusion you may have felt, may feel, after reading so much of what I have written, disappears and becomes crystal clear, in the way it is in my head.  It is concise in my head because I have been living and watching it unfold since 2020.  I have also seen the utter confusion on the faces of good, kind and intelligent people who did not have the patience and the intellectual awareness needed to be aware of:

Missing Information.

I think the most important aspect of humanity is that we are missing information and know far less than we think we know because our monkey brains do this for survival.

There are two types of important missing information:

The missing information which comes from my story being completely unique, difficult for outsiders to understand, given it spans multiples cultures; and therefore, difficult to comprehend.  It is the perfect situation for: Confirmation Bias.

Missing official information, which confirms much of what I say.  Refused by people, judges, immigration in Switzerland; and refused by the IPT court and Police Scotland in the UK.  I will give a list of documents and information at the bottom of this post which are required to complete my analysis of my situation.  I do not expect the evidence to be released and if it is, it will be redacted.  A lot of what is written is lies in any case but refusing to release the information (which is contradicted in other pieces of official information) is evidence of a cover up.

Let’s start with the missing information (Number 1 above) which started this insane journey. The information which you do not have: How a white, mature, professional and highly educated British woman experiences asylum camps in Switzerland; and tries to explain to exceptionally ignorant westerners what my life is/was like outside the UK, in order to enlighten them.  (To summarise: it is outwith the frames of reference of most people.)

My story has to be understood from the perspective of ‘your consciousness’ and your ‘unknown unknowns’ (Donald Rumsfeld – explained further down).  Also, if you have ever spoken to a child and realised that they know very little due to their limited experiences, try to imagine this is you, talking to multiple people (with childlike understanding), about multiple cultures and who are absolutely unaware that they have no idea about what you are talking about, due to their non-existence knowledge or experience of what you are talking about! 

It’s like encouraging a child to swear knowing they do not know what it means but knowing they are getting a reaction of hilarity from the adults – so they keep doing it! Not knowing it will harm them or other people if said in the wrong company!

So, back to missing information.

Missing information is the information which you believe you have or believe you know, but are unaware of the fact that this is your confirmation bias.  Because that is what confirmation bias is: seeing something which is not true; creating a narrative to make something make sense which is incongruent with your belief system and personal knowledge/experience; to prevent cognitive dissonance.  To make it make sense.

As Donald Rumsfeld said (this is where you engage your critical thinking):

There are (1) known (2) knowns. 

(Where you agree something is fact.  I am a woman. Etc. ( I was an asylum seeker for almost two years.  I lived and worked in Iraq three times.)

There are known unknowns. 

(Where you agree you know there are some things which you don’t know.  How nice it is working in Iraq and how extremely hospitable most Kurds are. What a beautiful country it is.  How women are treated in private in Kurdistan.  FGM rates.)

There are unknown knowns. 

(Where you agree there are things you know that you can’t know, because you have no way of knowing them, but other people do. For example, what it is like to be a white woman in an asylum camp, in a western country, as the minority, with multiple ethnicities (some very racist) from across the world – who are mostly dark skinned and from non-western cultures. How it is to be a female who has experienced FGM.)

There are unknown unknowns.

(Where you agree/accept that you haven’t even thought about some things because they are so far out of your sphere of consciousness, that you cannot even know that you do not know them. Therefore you do not know the questions you need to ask to discover this new information because it has no connection to your current knowledge. This could be a cultural or subcultural habit which you have never experienced in a culture you have never heard of. For example:  The subcultures in asylum camps. Being beaten by deranged African woman in an asylum camps with no laws. The laws of the jungle. (Note:  You will assume this is a racist comment because you assume all asylum seekers are black!)

You may be able to infer some things, but if you completely lack experience in, or zero knowledge of something completely out of your sphere of references (and these assumptions are influenced by your gender, social class, race, educational level, personal preferences; and could be intergenerational also); and hold a position of influence in the narratives:  you are completely responsible for causing damage and harm if you assert something which is untrue based on something you know nothing about!

The most that you can say is, factually: ‘I have no idea! I cannot be confident.’ 

People, don’t!  Officials, don’t!  Egotistical people, don’t! People who want influence, don’t!  People who are sadistic and power hungry, and who have already made false assertions and told lies, made mistakes, are often the most enthusiastically consistent in continuing to assert lies and falsehoods.  They cannot back down and admit, ‘I made a big mistake!’ They don’t want to either!

Before I move on to the way your focus and perspective can trick you.  Let’s do a quick focus test.  Watch this video and count how many times the players wearing white pass the basketball.  Is it 5; 6; 10?  How good is your focus? (click on the link) There are players wearing white and other players wearing black. This is to help you focus your attention.

Five-minute break!

This is how narratives are created, if you realise what you just did and what just happened.  Your focus is diverted to one narrative, and you are asked to comment on that narrative (repeatedly) and explain things about the ‘distraction narrative’. You believe what you are saying is the most important aspect of the conversation and will defend your arguments depending on how much you are challenged. (Did you really see 6 passes?  Are you sure it wasn’t ten passes?) This takes your time and attention.  There are only so many hours in the day! 

‘Now imagine a whole system promoting one narrative about one person and repeatedly asking hundreds (maybe thousands across continents) of people to ‘comment; give an opinion; validate; repeat’. This then infiltrates belief systems and steals your focus.  People are forced to respond; I am forced to respond because I know how to get you to see the truth, I must challenge your assumptions.  This takes time and stops me discussing the real problem: Corruption.  People do not have a lot of time.  Governments deliberately distract you by filling your time and also harassing you.  This then reinforces the narrative.  I have been forced to engage in a narrative which has nothing to do with the reality of my situation. People who are entrenched in certain narratives (UN people; immigration people; observers; lower-level staff; amateur mental health idiots) have had their attention diverted and captured by an ‘official report’!  People have just repeated and repeated without engaging their critical thinking skills or have not had the time to do so.  Even when I am sat right in front of them! Every question they have asked has been based around the wrong narrative. State propaganda towards me! 

By the time someone realises their mistake they have become part of the wrong narrative.

Competing narratives

Now look at the competing narratives in this diagram below, and the motives of the three players involved (Me; the Swiss; the British).  The most important things to consider are:  Who has the power; when; what can they do with it and what did they do when they (you) discovered the truth (considered a different narrative)? 

You/they experienced cognitive dissonance.  The same feeling you felt if you took part in the above focus experiment:  You missed the other, huge element which was right in your face!

You/they were misled by the ‘reports’, written by people with motives, cognitive biases, ignorance (‘Unknown uknowns’ which they claimed were knowns, based on their limited past experience.  Commenting on things they know nothing about!)  

This is why the chronology of events is important and why British institutions are deleting official information.  It is easy to be swayed by the first emotionally engaging version of a story you hear, when in fact it may not be true.  The more engaging a narrative is, the more engaged you are!  It could be extremely sadistic; extremely unusual; extremely taboo; or extremely sad.  The FCDO has engaged numerous narratives with different reports at different point to engage different responses from different people in different countries and contexts. At the moment they are going with the ‘sad narrative’. It is a false narrative!

The British state (FCDO; Police Scotland; Judge Colin Boyd and other judges) have blatantly lied and tried to end my life: by encouraging other people to attack me in extremely dangerous situations (asylum camps; Iraq) or by making my life so unbearable that I do it myself!

The simple explanation – A Vector.  A Perfect Storm.

Historically this is what happened.

An Iraqi in Iraq made false assertions about me in 2018 whilst I was working in his university deparment (English Dept. Raparin University and also Qualadza University).  Through their embassy in Iraq, the UK FCDO recorded them as fact, knowing they were not, and kept this secret from me.  They pretended the reports I sent them about abusive Kurds (professors and heads of department) in the university were irrelevant. A university which the British and EU were involved in and were engaged in setting up the Bologna System, with the very same men who were abusing me and sexually harassing me, in 2018. (The UK and EU were encouraging this narrative they were promoting because they were putting millions (Raparin University Oct 2018 – Dec 2018) into a system which is inherently extremely misogynistic and corrupt.) Slandering me was their solution to this problem. Other Kurdish women complained about these perverted Kurdish professors. There was also an Irish pedophile working at the university who knew I knew what he was doing because I complained.

The FCDO passed these lies to Police Scotland.  The past false narratives coming from Judge Colin Boyd, originating in 2005, when he covered up for the murder of my son, which Police Scotland have repeated from 2018 to this day, formed a narrative; a vector, a perfect storm.  

I then went to work for a Barzani. I was head hunted!

This situation is so rare, and so out of the consciousness of everyone involved, (except me, because I was at the centre of the storm) that people found explanations, because they had no idea that what they were dealing with (to them) was an ‘unknown unknown’, dressed up as a FACT!  People with invested and competing perspectives on MY situation!  

People who could not see the over-arching influences and narratives (corruption involving the UK, EU and US), and who, by the time they did realise something did not make sense, were/are by that time entrenched, in their own and the false, preferred narrative. They unwittingly became part of the false narrative by repetition and believing it to be true.  Self-preservation then engages; once someone realises they are complicit in the false narrative and persecution:  Cognitive dissonance!

Trying to explain to people who believe they are experts at spotting lies, that they are wrong, using the above explanation and method, is an idea every single professional person I have spoken to refuses to accept.  Very few accept their own fallibility if their career, income and reputation depend on their expertise.  Their reputation. Or if they too are misogynists. Rather than accept women are as equally intelligent as men, maybe more so, they prefer the delusion that women are ‘just plain crazy; angry at nothing; argumentative’.

This diagram above is the visual representation of what happened face to face to me in Switzerland and in Swiss Asylum Camps.

The ‘Problems and Options’ in the diagram, are different but overlapping for each actor in my story but if you have been following you can assume some of them.  They changed depending on which country I was in and whether I was asking for asylum the first time (Switzerland), the second time (Croatia) or the third time (Bosnia and Herzegovina). Keir Starmer was the Prime Minister during all of this time.

My Problems and solution:

I need to know exactly what the FCDO and British State are saying about me and they are refusing to release unredacted files, and claiming there is no more information. I know this is a lie because they already released what they claim they did not have.

Solution: Throw myself into the centre of the storm; force a result quickly rather than wait; collect information surreptitiously from anywhere and everywhere. Invite outside scrutiny (The Swiss; the Chinese; The Croatians; The Bosnians). 

Their Problems – FCDO (Police Scotland and IPT Court/Colin Boyd) and The Swiss

How do we explain what happened in Ranya and Erbil in Kurdistan Iraq? How do we explain there is no proof Lucy ever saw a psychiatrist in Scotland or Ranya, or had any ‘history of psychiatric treatment’? How do we explain contacting a relative she accused of rape and of murdering her son, while she was being harassed by perverted Kurds in Ranya? How do we explain why Lucy was silenced in the US court where she was a first-person witness in Barzani fraud, in 2022?  How do we explain why nobody in Scotland would take her report of serious international crimes involving the Barzanis in 2020? How do we explain that we decided not to invite her to the Investigatory Powers Tribunal she instigated in 2021? How do we explain the false narrative we sent to China and her university employer in 2022? How do we explain the reports sent to the Baghdad Embassy in 2023, when Lucy went to work for the American University of Baghdad in Iraq?  How do we explain multiple breaches of GDPR laws, and Police Scotland stalking her, to China, and Baghdad?  How do we explain getting involved in an asylum request for a British citizen in Switzerland? How do we explain the lies the FCDO told, when Lucy asked for Subject Access Requests, where we pretended we did not have her version of events (emails and reports from me) and therefore the full version of events in other countries, esp. Iraq?  How do we explain the request for Lucy to be tortured in Switzerland, in order to try and force her back to the UK?  How do we explain why kidnapping the passport of someone outside the UK, who has not committed a crime, was/is justified? How do we explain the persecution we enacted on Lucy, in full knowledge we were doing it? How do we explain Judge Colin Boyd’s refusal to investigate or even justify not investigating the murder of Lucy’s child in 2005?  How do we explain the surveillance?  How do we explain the abuse of her human rights? How do we explain the multiple lies told about her mental health, since 2005, when we took the word of her abusive family members that they were:  Her late son’s next of kin?  How do we explain the repeated false assertions that she is known as ‘Elizabeth’ and not ‘Lucy’? How do we look less sadistic, misogynistic and incompetent? How do we explain destroying this woman’s life, over a period of 21 years, from 2005, without any justification at all; and how to we justify denying her the proceeds of her efforts against all odds (income; peace; nice retirement outside the UK), without any fault on her part, ever?

Their solutions

The main solutions for the Swiss and the British are denial; institutional and reputational self-preservation.  

I will be able to prove this if the Swiss immigration and Swiss authorities release ALL the information and judicial decisions.  

The main solution the Swiss and British adopted, aided by many racist misogynists in the asylum camps was:

“We claim she is deranged; dangerous and paranoid! Then, hopefully, we will convince her and other people she has PTSD and will create the scenario we did not have before:  she needs to be ‘controlled’!” This kills two birds with one stone. We do not have to explain anything we have done (under ‘problems’) and nobody will let her speak ‘for her own good’!

Except I escaped! 

And now I am in Asia! In order for this narrative to work, the person at the centre of the storm has to be CAPTURED and SILENCED!

The narrative coming from the FCDO has changed so often, and so blatantly, that I am left with the impression I am dealing with very sadistic but complete idiots!  They even sent a British spy to take part in my second immigration interview in Switzerland, who tried to change my official, recorded statement, right in front of the Swiss immigration officer.  That is how desperate they were at that point!  Switzerland has refused to release the interview records.  This is my right as a former asylum seeker.

They have sent reports to countries I am not even in.  They have contacted people who abused my son (in Scotland in 2005; in Ranya in 2018; and in the IPT Court in London, in 2022).  They (I am assuming an FCDO report sent to the City of Edinburgh Council when I was writing my IPT Appeal) have written reports claiming I accused Saqi Barzani of rape. This is to encourage people to treat me as if I am ‘traumatised’ – except I am not because Saqi Barzani would never do that! 

It goes on and on!  And they refuse to release the information, claiming they do not have it. They are weaponizing time so as to be able to legally delete all false information and now when I ask for information they respond in the quickest time I have ever seen – still asserting, ‘You are paranoid.  We did nothing!’  When everyone is dead who knew me as the only responsible parent of my late son, or who knew me in Kurdistan, then my narrative will die also.  As my internet access is limited, people in other countries I have lived in cannot see what is happening and therefore cannot confirm what happened in Iraq.

The above diagram is a visual explanation of the competing narratives at play in my situation in Switzerland.  I had been fighting the FCDO; Police Scotland; IPT judges since 2018 (2005), which resulted in me asking for asylum in Switzerland, in 2023, where this ‘perfect storm’ happened.  

The perfect storm was something I deliberately forced, because prior to this the FCDO, IPT judges, Police Scotland refused to accept that their lies (false narratives) were causing me extreme damage.  This is the extreme I had to go to to catch perverts and criminals in the FCDO and Police Scotland. Their persecution of me was destroying me, had destroyed my career and they were attempting to force me to live in the UK (where it is easier to harass, stalk and silence my voice); and given they intended to continue on this trajectory (refusal of IPT Appeal in Oct 2023) I took control of the speed of it and forced the end result, by asking for asylum:  The end result which they wanted, which I believe was their intention, was me being forcibly incarcerated and silenced!  

Instead, I became a willing observer in their narratives, and I gathered information via direct (and indirectly) conversations with various Swiss state actors (immigration officers; asylum centre staff; doctors; other asylum seekers in camps who were being given information about me from asylum centre staff and telling me what they were saying; a judge – who ripped up a document intended to silence me).  The British State intention was to incarcerate me – using lies from the FCDO and Iraq and Boyd/Police Scotland.  This failed, so they then asked the Swiss to torture me and I almost died!  

They admitted what their intention was in a letter they sent to me, from the FCDO, at the beginning of 2025, in Croatia, when I was seeking asylum in Croatia.  This latest narrative (she is deranged and the Swiss agree) was the new assertion they made to Croatian and Bosnian immigration officers and lawyers to make people afraid of me and so I would be denied asylum protection.  They claimed they had an ‘official report’ from Switzerland, which was obtained in exactly the same way they started their lies in Ranya, 2018, which claimed I was deranged. A corrupt Iraqi Kurd claimed he had taken a psychiatrist to my apartment when I was in a dispute with them, due to me harming the childish ego of Sallah Xoshnaw, the Head of the English Department. I resigned because of this pervert.

This report from Switzerland, which was my only contact ever with psychiatrists, was to make them (the FCDO; Judge Colin Boyd; Police Scotland) look far less like sadistic, incompetent, misogynistic gangsters who:

silenced the mother of a murdered child and covered up the murder of my child; whilst also silencing me about the corruption they were involved in in Kurdistan.

The truth is, the British state and British police are viciously misogynistic and extremely corrupt. They needed this document to claim: the probability is that, based on Lucy’s past history, she is most likely to be absolutely deranged by now, aged 58 and we have every reason to lock her up. The Swiss agree! They have selectively portrayed me as an abused child; who then had alcohol and drug problems; who is angry for no reason; who now has PTSD. 

It is complete bullshit! It is an idea with no substance! It ignored multiple facts:

I was a campaigner for children’s rights in Scotland after I exposed my abusive family, 30 years ago!

I set up a youth club and was funded by other charities after my son was murdered.

I have never had psychiatric treatment.

I very successfuly build a wonderful life and career outside the UK, against all odds, and in spite of what Judge Colin Boyd and his allies did to me.

I was very happy in Iraq and had multiple friends.

I had a wonderful, luxurious life with loads of foreign travel and had no intention of every returning permanently to the UK.

The problem the FCDO had with this report (which they seemed oblivious to) which they so enthusiastically sent me like a bunch of deranged psychopaths, in Croatia: this Swiss report which was handed in to the British Embassy in Berne, apparently ‘by me’ (I was in Croatia at the time, which official reports will confirm) was destroyed by a Swiss judge, in front of seven witnesses!  The judge also stated officially:  Nothing will come of this report!  Then he ripped it up, dramatically.   The Swiss also refuse to release this judicial decision!  Self-preservation!

My findings.

So, when I was living in asylum camps, what came into sharp focus was the narrative being circulated about me.  My behaviour had not changed.  I was still calm, still very articulate, having spent decades teaching people in different cultures, and still writing multiple well-written documents, by this time for multiple legal systems (Chinese; British; Swiss) because I was repeatedly denied legal assistance, a lawyer.  

I would enter asylum camps (I was moved around about seven or eight times to deliberately prevent me from building relationships) and I was treated as if I was incapacitated.  I was more than able to challenge this assumption but me demonstrating my intellectual abilities was considered threatening to people who have no way of reaching this level of critical thinking.  They felt small, jealous, threatened and defensive.  My calm demeaner, and the fact I was witnessing the abusive attitude of many ORS staff members, meant many exploited this narrative that was being circulated about me.  

This is how it played out at a day to day micro-level – see diagram below.

People, asylum seekers, members of staff in the asylum centres were the least informed and the most captured! They also had their own challenges and living in Swiss asylum camps is designed to be torturous. The Swiss torture asylum seekers, especially the asylum seekers of their allies: Australian; European; American; British. These people were in camps also. Whistle blowers!

Explanation of the above diagram – Perception and blindness!

The outer light pink circle in the above Venn diagram, is my consciousness from my experience, knowledge and awareness that the people I am speaking to are like children (unaware or corrupt). They have never worked in Iraq; lived in asylum camps; probably never had a wonderful international life outside the UK/their own countries; don’t know what it is like to be a whistle blower and to have your life destroyed, because you are speaking out about global corruption. They do not know what they do not know. This is where I have used my teaching skills, knowledge of psychology and my awareness, to observe and gather information when I was an asylum seeker in Switzerland. Also, my knowledge of the fact I knew I was being slandered, and false narratives have been deliberately circulated about me, which by 2023, had already resulted in me losing a job in China (resigned from two universities) and a job in Baghdad (I asked the AUIB to fire me, given they were making false accusations which came from Police Scotland). I knew quite a lot and had seen the damage being done to me, but I needed more information. I got it! 

Some examples:

Immigration officers contacted by the FCDO and given reports that I ‘had had previous psychiatric treatment’. That ‘my family’ had been contacted and asked for their advice. that I did not raise my children and both my children were dead. Regardless of the fact I was sitting right in front of the immigration officer willing to tell her why I was asking for asylum, she did not read my reasons – which you have to submit before the interview. For nearly three hours she interviewed me about what Police Scotland wanted to interview me about because I had exposed the fact they had never interviewed me in 2005 (in my IPT case in 2022) when my son was murdered. 

The immigration officer could not see me! She had no way of assessing if I was telling the truth or not, because she had a very compelling request from the British State and Police Scotland: “Ask her what happened to her late sons!” This is a very emotive request and something which would compel most people to follow this line of questioning. I revealed nothing new! It was clear to me why she was asked to do that but it was not clear to her! In the second interview the British state sent a spy who tried to change my statement – to the opposite of what I said. (This is recorded in the official statement – as a “change” – and initialled as such. I made sure the correct thing was recorded, after the spy tried to change my words!)

ORS Staff – sent vicious reports from Police Scotland claiming I did not raise my children and both my children are dead; and that I had a ‘previous psychiatric history’. All false! Most of the ORS staff I met were not European, were sharing all information, esp. information for a British woman with asylum seekers of the same ethnicity or religion (Islamic). Most men from extremely misogynistic background were in agreement with this ideology – women who complain about mistreatment are insane. Most of the men in these camps were happy to abuse me and many would have been happy to rape me. An Arab forced me to sleep in the middle of hundreds of these men, shortly after arriving in the camp, and I believe he hoped that someone would rape me. He was from Iraq, possibly Kurdish. Rape or the threat of rape was being used as a form of torture. 

The false narratives circulated to the camps were intended to encourage men and women to assault me and they did. Many things were said to me by asylum seekers which did not come from me. I gathered evidence. People ‘knew’ things they should not have known. ORS staff were giving them information. Additionally, the men who hated women and the people who hated white people in these camps, were not interested in the truth or seeing me. They were just bad people! So, this wasn’t evidence of ‘confirmation bias’. This was evidence of racial hatred and misogyny, being used as a weapon against me. The abuse of confirmation bias to torture me.

Psychologists I asked to speak to, to ask them to record the assaults in the camps (psychologists are not allowed in the camps – they are oblivious to what happens and the conditions) read the same reports from the FCDO, from Ranya in Kurdistan. From the abusive Kurds in Raparin University (2018) and from the FCDO. These reports led them to believe or just to conveniently claim:  You have PTSD. 

I was being assaulted in the camps. There was nothing ‘POST’ about anything. 

I was never allowed to speak about the camps or the attacks or the abuse happening to many people in the camps – between asylum seekers and from the staff. Psychologists had a vested interest in not letting me speak and not getting to know me and the real story. Not just because healthcare is private in Switzerland and the local hospital made millions from keeping asylum seekers sick. And I believe they were told (by the FCDO): Give us a psych assessment so we can say ‘PTSD’. They wanted to try to use this to incarcerate and silence me. They wanted this to divert attention away from the barbarity of denying an investigation of a murdered child and not interviewing the only parent of that child! The FCDO did try this to claim, “This whole asylum seeking is because she is mental!’, when I was in Croatia.  But, they were too stupid to realise:

A. The document they were using, which did not say what they claimed it said (they changed the assertions to try to claim I had one of the most serious mental disorders to exist) and was ripped up, publicly, by a Swiss judge. It wasn’t only ripped up in front of witnesses but the judge claimed: This will go no further. 

B. They obtained the document illegally, which is against Swiss law. They were also repeating the behaviour they demonstrated in 2018 when they did a similar thing: obtained some false document from a psychiatrist who I had never met. A Kurdish Iraqi. Obtaining another ‘real document’ (from Switzerland they claimed), which they believed was real, admonishes the psychiatrist and Colin Boyd from their previous assertions that: I had had psychiatric treatment, both as a child and in Ranya, Kurdistan. The FCDO needed this document to look less criminal! They are criminals! To try to silence me they convinced other people that I was dangerous and insane. These ‘professionals’ in Switzerland had zero assessment ability even with me sitting right in front of them. They refused to let me speak. They simply repeated what the FCDO wrote and the evidence of this is online – because I recorded two doctors demonstrating confirmation bias! I recorded one; and the second recorded himself and gave me the recordings.

These examples should teach you how strong confirmation bias is and how people are psychologically programmed to seek answers to resolve their cognitive dissonance. Their cognitive dissonance was me sitting in front of them calm, rational, willing to talk and explain, and being absolutely NORMAL! The hospital admitted to me, informally, they had made mistakes and explicitly said: 

“You are normal. We have also spoken to the FCDO and they said you can safely go back to the UK. Alexandria (Klimenko) did not know (that the reports were fake and that Helen Urban is a psychopath/has PTSD)”

Number one, I had no intention of returning to the UK. Number two, nobody should have been speaking to anyone in the FCDO – it is against asylum law, given I had told them I was being stalked, slandered and persecuted by the FCDO and Police Scotland/Colin Boyd. Number three, why did they think that information from the FCDO would be of comfort to me after the lies they had told; and number four, why would they believe that, after coming to the correct conclusion, that I was being stalked, slandered and persecuted, that the FCDO and British state would not continue to do this given I was never going to shut up about their corruption? 

The answer: confirmation bias – they believed what the FCDO were saying. Not because my behaviour was odd but because I was ‘out of context’. They did not know how to interpret a western woman in a Swiss asylum camp. Additionally, the FCDO did exactly what they had been doing since 2018: got someone to send them a report claiming I was deranged (the report that was ripped up by the Swiss judge).

The FCDO, regardless of their assurances given to the Swiss, continued and continue to slander, stalk and persecute me! 

Had I not asked for asylum and not forced the inevitable result of their slander?

Had the false narratives been given the time to play out!

Now, I want you to consider what could have happened to me and could still happen to me if we follow the trajectory of the narratives circulated and if I did not manage to escape Europe!

The trajectory was clear to me in 2020, and it is probably even more certain now, if I was ever to return to Europe or the UK; given people lack awareness and refuse to accept they have become embroiled in corruption! That is how corruption works: people choose to become involved, or they are forced into involvement. 

I have been challenging a very corrupt Judge, Colin Boyd; the FCDO; Prime Ministers; Police forces; the involvement in corruption in Kurdistan by the Americans and the British; a very abusive asylum system in Switzerland; and the collusion of two states in torturing me rather than admit to their mistakes. And I will continue to do so until I die! Not because I care about the UK or Switzerland; but to fight, because it is the right thing to do.

My son was murdered and the COPFS and Colin Boyd covered it up. I am not a corrupt person in any sense: morally, mentally, intellectually or financially. We were, are good people and we have all been persecuted by a perverted and corrupt British establishment. I believe these perversions and corruption come from the very top of the British Establishment, and if not, it reflects his inaction to protect innocent British citizens:

Charlie Saxe-Coburg Gotha (King Charles of the United Kingdom)

Hence the picture of one of the most barbaric relatives of the British Royal Family: King Henry the VIII

List of documents denied and needed to prove/disprove the above:

Full disclosure of asylum interviews recorded by the Swiss immigration officers (Interview 1 and 2 – which are in English and French).

Full disclosure of the release decision made by a Swiss judge after a Bangladeshi manager in a Swiss asylum camp tried to have me locked up indefinitiely.

Full disclosure of all files from ORS – the organisation that manages and employs asylum seekers across multiple European countries, including Switzerland. 

Full disclosure of recorded minutes of meetings with a deranged doctor in Friebourg, who repeatedly repeated the lies written about me by the FCDO and Police Scotland, and asylum camp staff. Plus, full disclosure of her mental health history with multiple psychiatrists in France and Switzerland (including the multiple times she was forcibly incarcerated for long periods)- which she told me all about! (Loose lips sink ships!)

Full disclosure of the IPT court decision and what their ‘investigations’ covered and who they spoke to. UREDACTED!

Full disclosure of why Colin Boyd refused to investigate the murder of my child.

Full disclosure of FCDO, Police Scotland, COPFS and City of Edinburgh Council files UNREDACTED dating back to 2005.

Full disclosure of asylum files from Croatia and Bosnia.

Full disclosure of the team involved in ‘interfering in my current life and the networks; databases; processes implemented based on the dangerous and fake assertions made about me by the Swiss and FCDO/British state. WHO is making decisions about how I am stalked; who can make money out of me; who is limiting my right to live peacefully; who did all of this since 2020?

WHO gave the instruction not to release my passport when I left Switzerland, and who gave the instruction not to release it for eight months? Probably Keir Starmer and probably those bureaucrats in the FCDO! At a guess!

Lastly, for those who know nothing about the reasons people give for asking for asylum. Here is one of them:

Temporary protection while an abusive government or tyrannical Prime Minister is in control. This can lead to a longer term request should the regime continue to adopt tyrannical, oppressive and abusive policies intended to harm innocent citizens.

I should have been given asylum protection in Switzerland, or Croatia or Bosnia. Instead I was forced to flee as nobody was listening to me and Croatia were instructed by the British and Swiss to return me to Switzerland, to be tortured again

Lucy Letby: summary of evidence

This is a summary of the main evidence used to convict Lucy Letby, with links to many other documents relating to the case and more in-depth articles examining the severe shortcomings in the scientific evidence which led to the conviction. Much of the material comes from the website https://rexvlucyletby2023.com/ of the organisation Science on Trial https://www.scienceontrial.com/. The material in https://rexvlucyletby2023.com/ (now offline, but preserved at https://web.archive.org/web/20230824112701/http://rexvlucyletby2023.com/) was presented to the defence team during the trial but was not used due to rules which prevent the introduction of new expert evidence once a UK criminal trial is underway.

This summary was written by Tom Gibb and Kate Nickalls and reproduced here with their permission (some minor corrections made by Richard Gill).

Lucy Letby (LL) was convicted and sentenced to spend the rest of her life in prison for murdering seven babies and attempting to murder six others between June 2015 and May 2016. The summary of evidence below is organised in rough chronological order to also explain how the investigation against her was conducted. It is accompanied by commentary to explain why both the investigation and evidence collected were flawed:

1) The Statistical Evidence.

In 2016, consultants at the Countess of Chester Hospital (CoCH) became suspicious that LL always appeared to be on duty when babies collapsed or died. These suspicions were later summarised into a data chart of nurses’ shifts produced by the police which, the jury was told, showed that LL was the only nurse present at all 8 deaths (one murder charge was dropped by the court prior to the trial), and 17 incidents of sudden collapses on the unit which were listed in the chart. This gave the very misleading impression to the jury of a correlation that was too much to be coincidence. In fact, there were many more deaths which should have been included in the chart; and most likely very many collapses too.

  • The 25 incidents in the Police chart only represented those included in the investigation. Hospital records (obtained by a freedom of information request) show that there were an additional 9 neonatal deaths during this period, for which LL was not charged and when she was not on duty. So, the police table showed only a partial subset of data representing less than half the deaths on the unit. During the trial, no proof was given at all that Lucy had done anything wrong or was in any way the cause of those 25 events.
  • The statistical evidence about the 16 non-fatal collapses is even more misleading. The collapses were selected by the hospital consultants because they deemed them suspicious. They did this retrospectively after they had agreed LL herself was suspicious, and the list was restricted to incidents occurring during Lucy’s shifts making it statistically meaningless. The shift data chart does not show any non-fatal incidents/collapses which occurred when Lucy was not on shift. In fact, nobody can say how many such incidents occurred because neither the hospital nor NHS systematically registers incidents/collapses requiring quick action by nurses or doctors.
  • Statistics weren’t explicitly used by prosecution, because no detailed statistical analysis was ever carried out; instead they insinuated a statistical correlation via the shift data chart.
  • The lack of any formal statistical analysis made it impossible to conclude whether LL’s presence could have been the result of chance. A number of factors would point to a coincidental relation. While other staff indicated on the data chart worked part time, LL worked overtime, often at nights (when babies are more likely to collapse). The neonatal unit Lucy worked on cared for poorly and premature babies requiring more intensive care.
  • Professional statisticians have since performed statistical assessments that demonstrate a) there remains a systemic cause of infant still-birth and neonatal death at the COCH even when the so-called murder cases are removed from the data; and b) that the police table representing LL presence for all the events is a statistically normal artefact. 
  • A Royal Statistical Society (RSS) report, produced before the LL trial, laid out the standard methods from medical statistics and epidemiology which should be used to analyse such data in this and similar alleged serial killer nurse cases. It drew on the experience obtained from earlier cases, for example, that of Lucia De Berk, a nurse in a children’s hospital in the Netherlands, who was initially convicted because of a faulty statistical analysis. Lucia’s conviction was only overturned after analysis showed that the notion that her presence at so many deaths and other incidents could not be a coincidence had contaminated the medical judgements of medical experts called to give their opinion on individual events. Numerous recommendations of the RSS had already been grossly violated during the police investigation into the case of Lucy Letby by. the time the report was published. No statistical analysis of the roster data was performed at all.

2) Other possible causes of the neonatal deaths. The limited scope of the investigation.

No direct evidence implicating Lucy Letby was produced. No one saw her doing anything wrong. Instead, the jury was told that she must be guilty because all other possible causes of unexpected collapse and death had been investigated and eliminated, and that LL was the only link between the 25 incidents. This is untrue. There never was a wider, independent investigation by outside experts with the relevant scientific expertise. Indeed, a 2017 report by the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health (RCPCH) into the unit at the CoCH criticised the lack of systems in place in the hospital for reviewing such serious incidents. The report identified a series of problems in the unit, where the number and acuity of patients had expanded faster than resources available to look after them. These included significant understaffing, with gaps in doctor and nursing rotas, poor decision-making and insufficient senior consultant cover provided by paediatricians (the unit had no neonatologist), and lack of coordination to transfer very sick babies to the nearest Neonatal Intensive Care Unit (NICU). It recommended a wider independent expert and forensic investigation to look at possible medical causes of the unexplained deaths and collapses and the rashes some of the infants exhibited. Instead of this happening, the police were called in to conduct a criminal investigation which focused narrowly on looking for evidence that LL was a possible mass murderer. The main investigator and prosecution expert witness, Dr Dewi Evans, is a decade-long retired paediatrician, (not a forensic scientist or neonatologist specialising in intensive care neonates) who volunteered his services, and who has neither the expertise nor experience to make the scientific claims he made. Far from eliminating all other possible causes, alternative avenues of medical and scientific inquiry which could have pointed to different explanations for the deaths, were not followed up.

  • At the time of their deaths, autopsies were performed for six of the babies. A natural cause of death was listed by a pathologist for 5 of them, and one cause of death was un-ascertained. These conclusions were overturned by the police investigation, even though there was no new evidence, with no explanation as to why.
  • All but one of the children were born pre-term, several very pre-term. This makes them extremely vulnerable to infection. All the babies in the case showed many signs of viral or bacterial infection and all were listed as having “suspected sepsis”. Some of the babies had rashes and discolouration that the doctors said they had never seen before. The prosecution presented this as evidence that the babies were deliberately injected with air, based on a single scientific paper from 1989 which was not applicable to the babies in the LL case (see below). Viral or bacterial infections (including antibiotic resistant bacterial infections) and sepsis, which can also cause rashes and skin discolouration, were not presented as possible explanations to the jury.
  • The police investigation did not include independent infectious diseases experts, forensic neonatal pathologists or toxicologists; no independent, scientific forensic investigation took place. Most worrying, there was no systematic investigation into possible viral or bacterial infections, even though the pattern of collapses and deaths fits an outbreak of infection. A nearby hospital had experienced a similar cluster of deaths within a short period just prior to events at CoCH. It was determined not to be the result of criminal action, with the deaths deemed to be natural. It is well known by epidemiologists and statisticians that clusters of unexpected deaths do occur within hospital settings, often due to outbreaks of unidentified infections.
  • At the time of the collapses and deaths of the infants, enterovirus and parechovirus had been reported in other hospitals. There is a history of outbreaks of these viruses in neonatal wards in hospitals around the world. They especially harm preterm infants who do not yet have a functioning immune system. It is reported that many parents of the infants were concerned that their ward had a virus (as was Lucy). To date we have seen no evidence to show the hospital did any viral testing and, if they did, what the results were.
  • At the same time as the increase in deaths in the CoCH neonatal unit, there was also a spike in stillbirths (often infection related) in the adjacent maternity unit.
  • Both the maternity unit and the Neonatal unit at COCH had repeated raw sewage spills, providing an obvious explanation as to how a pathogen like an enterovirus (which is highly contagious through faeces) could have spread in the hospital.
  • All the babies in the case were presented to the jury as being stable, before an unexpected and unexplained sudden collapse. This was highly misleading. All of the babies had “suspected sepsis” in the notes, with clear signs of an undiagnosed infection. They required resuscitation, mechanical ventilation and intubation. This was a very sick group of babies.
  • Evidence from less well-resourced settings shows that death would be a normal and common outcome for babies in this category. Many would be expected to die after a sudden deterioration. Low staffing levels, leading to poor monitoring and poor infection control, are globally the big killers of preterm babies. In developed world settings babies are only kept alive by expert intensive care, with high staff-to-patient ratios and a focus on infection prevention. In this context, the low staffing levels at CoCH and the sewerage leaks are highly significant. While the death rate at CoCH was slightly higher than normally expected in the UK, it was much lower than the global average.
  • The neonatal unit at CoCH was a level 2 unit offering mid-level specialist care for babies with severe health issues and prematurity. The prosecution claimed that neonatal deaths decreased after Lucy was taken off the unit. But in fact, the hospital, at the same time, downgraded the unit to level 1 (no longer taking in such sick babies), increased senior consultant cover and repaired the sewage spillage from the drains. This easily explains the decrease in neonatal deaths.

3) The insulin evidence.

Soon into the police investigation, doctors discovered an entry in the notes of two babies who had died two years earlier, showing high levels of insulin and low levels of C-peptide. This was later presented to the jury and wider public as the key breakthrough which proved there was someone committing deliberate harm in the unit. Cheshire Police, in media reports like the Panorama programme, said this was the point that they focused all their efforts into a murder investigation. LL was accused of injecting insulin into the feeding bags of the two babies. These two hormones both derive from proinsulin, produced by the pancreas, leading to an expectation of related levels unless insulin has been injected, (although C-peptide levels can be higher as it has a slower clearance rate). Expert witnesses testified that deliberate poisoning with insulin was the only possible explanation. The defence accepted this as “established fact”, based on the testimony of the prosecution’s expert witnesses. This meant no defence expert witness was called to rebut this claim. However, the weight of expert opinion consulted since the trial is that there are better, innocent explanations for the two test results recorded in the notes, which were not presented to the jury. Guidelines for levels of evidence required in insulin poisoning cases were ignored.  Other experts in the field say that two isolated tests with no possibility of follow-up or confirmation, were wholly inadequate for a murder conviction. (See also the section “opinions of other scientists re insulin” at the end of this post).

  • The immunoassay lab tests used to establish the insulin and C-Peptide levels, are complicated and can give false results for many different reasons, one being the false-negative hook effect. One of the tests had such a high insulin level (4657 pmol/L), that lab specialists say this would almost certainly lead to a false negative for C-peptide, and so explain the discrepancy in recorded results. For an Insulin level of 4656 pmol/L, the predicted C-peptide concentration would be 99,277 pmol/L, which exceeds the parameters of the test. There is a hook effect at C-peptide concentrations that exceed 60,000 pmol/L. (The manufacturer of the blood test kit is “Coba”.)
  • The Insulin assay test used is not designed to discover or measure the presence of injected insulin. Indeed, the lab where the tests were carried out states clearly on its website that its insulin assay tests are not designed “to measure exogenous insulin”, which would require a more precise (mass-spectrometry) test at an entirely different lab (Guildford RSCH Peptide Laboratory). This mass-spectrometry test was not carried out.
  • Instructions from the forensic science regulator about the use of measurements like this in criminal prosecution were ignored. These state that there “must” be repeat samples, including a baseline blood sample taken before treatment starts; and further testing should have been required in order to confirm the values at a specialist laboratory. There must be reporting of possible sources of error and the likely sizes of errors, as well as a reporting of alternative explanations of anomalous outcomes. This was not done, so the tests should not have been accepted as forensic evidence. In many countries these assay tests are not accepted as forensic data for criminal prosecution because of all the possible errors from the collection of samples to procedures in the lab.
  • The sample for baby F was not collected at the right time to diagnose exogenous insulin. This should have been done at the first episode of hypoglycaemia, prior to treatment. The blood sample was taken after multiple dextrose treatments; the insulin levels AFTER dextrose (glucose) were significantly raised. Multiple attempts to rectify the blood sugar would have increased the plasma insulin and suppressed the C-peptide. The babies should have been fasting three hours prior to the blood tests, which did not happen in this case.
  • In neonates, there are a number of possible natural explanations for an unusual ratio of insulin to C-peptide, for example, autoimmune insulin syndrome (AIS), which were not presented to the jury. This is a highly specialist area requiring outside expert opinion, which was not sought during the investigation.
  • A mother of one of the two babies was reported to have diabetes; therefore, the baby is more likely to have higher and less stable production of insulin as well as periods of low blood sugar (hypoglycaemia) shortly after birth, and during the first few days of life. (33.7% of all preterm neonates experience hypoglycaemia during this period – Sharma et al 2017). Likewise, clearance rates of insulin and C-peptide can vary much more in preterm babies than in children or adults, as organs like the liver may not be yet working properly.
  • The link to Lucy Letby was conjecture. She was never seen injecting a baby, there is no direct evidence. The test for baby F was taken some 10 hours after LL’s shift ended, and after the TPN (intravenous feeding) bag had been changed. Baby L continued to have hypoglycaemia for a further 24 hours after LL left the ward.
  • Expert witnesses testified that LL only needed to have injected a small amount of insulin into the TPN bag to reach the levels reported in the tests. These calculations have been challenged by other experts as they appear to be based on calculations for muscular rather than intravenous insulin injection. Intravenous fusion would require much higher doses of insulin.
  • Both babies survived. Baby F tested a very high blood insulin concentration of 4657 pmol/L, C-peptide was 169 pmol/L and a blood glucose reading of 1.3 mmol/L. Within two hours of the blood test the baby’s blood sugar level was ~4 mmol/L. Normal glucose levels range between 1.5 and 6 mmol/L – so these readings are not particularly out of the ordinary. They are, however very surprising if the high blood insulin level recorded was accurate and a result of deliberate injection. Indeed it would be very surprising for the babies to have survived such an attack.

4) The evidence of deliberate injection of air

After mistakenly believing they had proved through the insulin evidence that there was a killer on the loose, police and doctors then looked for explanations as to how LL could have killed the other babies. She was accused of injecting them with air. She was also accused of pulling out ventilation tubes.  But no direct evidence was presented for either claim. Indeed, the investigation did not follow normal scientific methods and once again there are much better explanations for the evidence presented. Indeed the evidence for air injection, which was claimed as the main murder method, totally ignores a large body of contradictory evidence.

  • No forensic pathologists were involved in this investigation. Instead, it was carried out years after the deaths by Dr Dewy Evans, who is not qualified in this very specialist area. He approached the investigation like a doctor looking for a possible diagnosis, not like a scientist or pathologist looking for firm evidence. The jury, however, were told by the judge that they could trust his opinion as firm evidence.
  • Conventional methods for investigating air embolism were not followed. These require specific post-mortem techniques, which were not carried out. Instead, two x-rays, taken more than 30 minutes after death and showing air in major blood vessels, were presented as evidence.
  • One 1989 scientific paper was cited by Dr Evans to back up his theory. This paper was totally inapplicable to the case as it related to babies on aggressive ventilation treatments used at the time. The paper explicitly says post-mortem x-rays taken more than 30 minutes after death must not be used to determine air embolism, but in this case both the x-rays were performed beyond this time limit. “In 75% of reported cases the radiographs were taken antemortem. Post-mortem radiographs need to be interpreted with caution as intravascular air may appear as early as 25 minutes after death.”, (page 2 of paper). Relevant scientific papers were not included or presented to the jury.
  • There are many other explanations for air in the veins after death which were not presented to the jury. A 2015 study, for instance, showed the majority of new-borns who had been resuscitated with CPR and subsequently died, had air embolism (Halbertsma et al) which showed up in scans taken after death. The babies in the Lucy Letby case, almost all received CPR. Air in the great vessels is also a common side effect from having tubes inserted into the baby’s umbilical lines and from intravascular injections.
  • Another possible explanation for the radiological appearance of gas is sepsis. Jurors were told that Prof Owen Arthurs, radiologist at London’s Great Ormond Street Hospital, had been instructed to review X-rays taken of Child A – when alive and after death – as well as other babies in the investigation. He concluded that a line of gas in front of the spine was an “unusual finding” in a post-mortem x-ray which would be unlikely in deaths by natural causes, and which could be explained by air having been administered. But, he said, it has also been seen in road traffic accidents and cases of sepsis infection.

5) The “Confession” Note

Police found a handwritten note in LL’s home stating “I am Evil […] I did this” – which was presented to the jury as evidence by the prosecution.

  • There were a multitude of handwritten notes. This was not unusual, as nurses are encouraged to journal as a component of their training.
  • In the notes, LL also writes, “I’ve done nothing wrong […] how has this happened? […] Please help […] I feel very alone and scared […] no hope”. The guilt she expressed was clearly stated as worry that she might not have been “good enough” in her role as a nurse to save the babies who died while in her care.
  • On BBC’S Panorama, Professor Emeritus criminologist David Wilson explained that these notes were not a confession but that they were instead “the ramblings and outpourings of someone under extreme psychological pressure and stress”, due to the nature of the accusations against her. He suggested that she could have meant that, “it is alleged I am evil […] It is alleged I did this”, referring in her notes to the serious accusations made against her by the doctors and the police.
  • David Wilson stated that, in his experience of criminal cases, it is very common to see these types of notes written by people who in fact transpired to be innocent.
  • Neonatal nurse Lucia de Berk and Kathleen Folbigg both had similar handwritten notes shown to the jury by the prosecution. Both were convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment, but years later both were exonerated after new medical, scientific and statistical expert evidence revealed their wrongful convictions.
  • The code LD in her notes means “Long Day”, text commonly used by nurses to record shift notes.

A detailed analysis of the main “post-it note” shown to the jury is posted below. It demonstrates clearly that the note does not contain a confession.

6) The prosecution ignored the rules governing the use of Scientific experts and there was a lack of expert defence witnesses

The scientific experts used in the case did not behave as scientific expert witnesses must behave, according to the rules of CPS criminal prosecution. They are supposed to be strictly neutral (despite who is paying them) and they are supposed to always give alternative explanations and to mention scientific (and statistical) uncertainties. They did not do this. And they also spoke about scientific matters in which they have limited expertise. This applies not only to Dr Dewy Evans. Prof Hindmarsh has no expertise in forensic science in neonates. He also clearly did not know the relevant scientific literature concerning insulin poisoning, a specialist area which would not be in the knowledge of most practicing doctors. The defence appear to have accepted at face value the neutrality and expertise of the prosecution’s scientific witnesses and for some reason did not seek their own experts to challenge central conclusions of the case. Much of the material above, plus more analysis, was presented to the defence team before the end of LL’s trial. There was also an attempt made to present it to the judge as a “friend of the court”. But both were unsuccessful because rules prevent the defence calling new expert witnesses after a trial has started. So the jury never had the benefit of this evidence.  In particular, no defence experts testified regarding strong evidence of a differential diagnosis of infection in every case and what that could mean. This left all the prosecution’s expert witnesses essentially unchallenged. While this could be dismissed by putting the blame on the defence team, this misses the point. In a case which relies on highly specialised medical and scientific evidence, it is perhaps unreasonable to expect solicitors, barristers, judges and other legal professionals to be able to evaluate the quality of evidence and find the right experts. Defence barristers also complain that it is often very difficult to find expert defence witnesses willing to testify in cases involving children. This points to much deeper systemic deficiencies related to the use of complex scientific and medical evidence in criminal cases. The same is true for the police and prosecution investigation. The very obvious and alarming errors in the investigation are not necessarily the result of a deliberate cover-up or bad intent. Rather they result from the lack of understanding of scientific processes and investigation and a lack of understanding of how to judge and grade the reliability of medical evidence. There is a more detailed discussion of these aspects below.

The wider implications of the Lucy Letby case for the use of science in criminal trials and the need for reform.

Scientific evidence today plays an increasingly important role in obtaining convictions in the criminal justice system. However, the use of deeply flawed science in the Lucy Letby case raises worrying questions as to how scientific evidence is assessed and presented to juries, and whether the whole system needs modernisation and reform if miscarriages of justice are to be avoided.

Normally scientific evidence is peer reviewed by a panel of suitable and carefully identified experts, before it is published. This is a vital step, not only to iron out mistakes, but also to ensure correct scientific methods are followed and that the evidence published is robust enough to justify any conclusions that are reached. Peer review is used because scientists are the only ones with sufficient knowledge and expertise to evaluate the work of their peers.

In terms of medical evidence there is then a further process of independent grading before producing guidelines for doctors and other medical practitioners to follow. Grading provides a guide for doctors, who are often not experts in scientific methodology or statistics, so they can evaluate how reliable evidence is. The process usually starts with a systematic review of all the literature about the topic. If the review does not show up relevant studies or clinical trials from which to draw firm conclusions, a panel of experts will make recommendations for medical practice based on their experiencer. This expert opinion is considered low quality evidence, and any recommendations will be heavily qualified, because panels of top medics are rarely unanimous in their opinions and are often shown to be wrong when more rigorous scientific studies are carried out.

Relevant observational studies, where researchers simply observe and record the impact of potential treatments in a systematic way, get a higher grade. The gold standard for evidence are Randomised Controlled Trials (RCTs), which are carefully designed experiments used to prove or disprove a particular theory. These have built in methods to remove the inevitable bias of the researchers, as well as the doctors and other medical staff actually involved in treating patients in the study, and to work out detailed estimates of potential benefit and harm. To get the highest grade of evidence, RCTs need to be big enough so that the results are statistically significant and could not be the result of chance. And their results need to be replicable and relevant to the wider target group of patients. Often medical practitioners will not accept a single RCT as a basis upon which to change practice, in case there were errors in the way it was conducted. There are sometimes prolonged debates with serious differences of opinion among expert opinion before new treatments are adopted, because even the conclusions of RCTs can turn out to be wrong.

In the legal system, too often none of this happens when scientific or medical evidence is presented to juries who are likely to have much less understanding of the scientific process than doctors. Investigations are often police led and may not follow a scientific process. The trial then relies on both prosecution and defence to find their own expert witnesses, in a process where there are few criteria set down for vetting the suitability of experts beyond how well they will come across to a jury. The judge and jury, who are bound to be out of their depth in terms of scientific knowledge, are left to assess the relative strength of evidence when witnesses disagree with each other, with little chance to pose questions. Within this adversarial courtroom process, it is extremely difficult for non-scientists, to evaluate where the weight of scientific opinion might lie, or the reliability of the evidence presented. In the Lucy Letby case, the jury and the legal professionals involved were clearly not equipped to understand the reliability (or lack or it) of the evidence presented in the prosecution case.

Because of the adversarial nature of the process, it is also very difficult for legal teams to find scientists willing to act as expert defence witnesses. Academics are worried about a public process where hostile lawyers may try their best to discredit them – not necessarily focusing on the quality of evidence or the science. And the process provides no mechanisms for experts watching from outside, to input their knowledge when they see mistakes being made. Indeed, once a trial has started new expert evidence or expert witnesses cannot be introduced.

The Lucy Letby case demonstrates clearly many of the most serious weaknesses of the criminal justice system with regard to scientific evidence. After a series of unexplained deaths in a public hospital, there should have been a broad independent science-led investigation to evaluate how serious a spike this represented and probable causes. Instead, after the police were called in, the investigation tunnelled into a criminal investigation focusing only on gathering enough evidence to prosecute Lucy Letby. Doctors working on the ward became the principal advisors to the investigation and then “expert” witnesses in the trial.

The prosecution investigation, led by a retired paediatrician, should never have been presented to the jury as reliable scientific evidence. Doctors and scientists have very different methods for carrying out an investigation. A doctor will come up with a differential diagnosis, listing all the possible causes of a patient’s symptoms. They will then work through the list, eliminating all the possibilities, often by trying different treatments, until they reach a diagnosis. Often this turns out to be wrong, which does not matter as long as the doctor keeps an open mind, is prepared to consult with colleagues who make have more specialist knowledge, and to change course in the face of new evidence. This not a scientific method. Medicine is often as much an art as a science and has to confront many aspects of disease where we are still fundamentally ignorant. This is especially true when working with neonates, who cannot talk or indicate what hurts and what their symptoms are.

The Lucy Letby investigation was led by doctors and carried out using this method. Dr Dewy talked about his “diagnosis” that the babies were killed by air embolism. It was a diagnosis reached after the event, without ever being able to examine the babies. It may have been his honest opinion, but it was not scientific at all and should never have been presented to the jury without very strong caveats and warnings about its inevitable limitations.

Defence lawyers, the judge and the jury cannot be expected to understand complex scientific and medical evidence – and the processes by which it needs to be gathered in order to be reliable.  This is why in the LL case they accepted as scientific fact what was actually medical opinion, most of which would never have got through a scientific peer review. The defence team accepted that the insulin tests showed there was deliberate poisoning as “established fact”. The judge allowed evidence into the court that was not based on properly conducted forensic methods and told the jury they could trust an expert witness, who was a retired paediatrician and not qualified to make the statements he made. If it were graded, all of the evidence presented would have struggled to even be classified as “low quality” expert opinion, because no systematic review was carried out, and the expert witness was not qualified in the area where he gave testimony. It was a long, long way from proving guilt “beyond all reasonable doubt”.

And it was not only the legal professionals who were out of their depth. The journalists covering the case also had no idea of the correct questions that needed to be asked. Panorama produced a documentary which did not challenge the flawed scientific evidence relating to insulin and air embolism.  While it would be easy to blame everyone involved for not doing their jobs – this misses the point. Rather the whole case shows the difficulties faced by non-scientists in evaluating complex medical and scientific evidence, if they are not trained to do so. It is the system which is at fault.

Neither is the case unique. There have been a series of other cases both in the UK and other countries where medical professionals have been convicted on evidence which would not have stood the scrutiny of a peer review process within the scientific community – leading to innocent people spending years in jail.

So is it time for a change? What kind of reform would be necessary?

The most basic tenets of our legal system lay down that a defendant is considered innocent until found guilty beyond all reasonable doubt by a jury of their peers. It is of fundamental public interest, not only that this happens, but that it is seen to happen. In terms of complex scientific evidence, perhaps the word “peer” needs to be extended to include a role for “peer review” and grading of scientific evidence before it is presented to a lay jury, to make sure that it is indeed up to standard to reach a threshold of “beyond all reasonable doubt”.

This would not require major changes in the way the criminal justice system works. It would also allow scientists to be consulted and input their expertise, without becoming part of such an adversarial courtroom drama, making it more likely that more scientists would agree to be involved. And it would mean that all this evaluation happens before the massive expense and potential damage of a criminal trial.

Without reform, there is a real danger not only of serious miscarriages of justice, but also that the criminal justice system is brought into disrepute, as some of the country’s leading scientific and academic minds start to question the basis for criminal convictions.

LINKS TO MORE DETAILED ARTICLES UPON WHICH THE SUMMARY IS BASED.

1) The Statistical Evidence.

Links to SoT articles: https://www.scienceontrial.com/post/shifting-the-data

RSS Report: https://rss.org.uk/news-publication/news-publications/2022/section-group-reports/rss-publishes-report-on-dealing-with-uncertainty-i/

Data obtained from FOI requests: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/neonatal_deaths_and_fois#incoming-1255362

See especially, https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/521287/response/1255362/attach/html/3/FOI%204568.docx.html

2) Other possible causes of the neonatal deaths. The limited scope of the investigation.

Links to SoT articles: https://www.scienceontrial.com/post/a-malevolent-force

RCPCH Report: https://pdf4pro.com/cdn/www-coch-nhs-uk-7537c.pdf

NHS Sepsis symptoms: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/sepsis/

Neonatal sepsis: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK531478/#:~:text=Signs%20and%20symptoms%20of%20neonatal,with%20poor%20perfusion%20and%20shock

Cluster of human parechovirus infections as the predominant cause of sepsis in neonates and infants, Leicester, United Kingdom, 8 May to 2 August 2016 https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2016.21.34.30326

3) The insulin evidence.

Links to SoT articles:

https://www.scienceontrial.com/post/criminal-justice-in-england-disagreeable-facts

https://www.scienceontrial.com/post/adhering-to-the-limitations-of-the-scientific-protocols

https://www.scienceontrial.com/post/the-insulin-c-peptide-ratio

Forensic Science Regulator: code of practice  https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/statutory-code-of-practice-for-forensic-science-activities

Insulin assay test kit instructions: http://pathlabs.rlbuht.nhs.uk/insulin.pdf

A Nurse’s report of insulin: see attached file

C-peptide Suppression During Insulin Infusion in the extremely Preterm infant is associated with insulin sensitivity: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31058966/

4) The evidence of deliberate injection of air

Links to SoT articles:

https://www.scienceontrial.com/post/the-lucy-letby-trial-breaking-down-the-case-law-on-the-reliability-of-experts

https://www.scienceontrial.com/post/endotracheal-tube-extubation-who-is-to-blame

https://www.scienceontrial.com/post/translating-the-science

1989 Air embolism paper, see (page 2) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1592039/pdf/archdisch00901-0075.pdf

Prevalence of systemic air-embolism after prolonged cardiopulmonary resuscitation in newborns: A pilot study, (Halbertsma et al, 2015) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26092516/

Systemic Air embolism secondary to respiratory therapy in the neonate, (Marvin S Kogutt)

https://ajronline.org/doi/pdf/10.2214/ajr.131.3.425?download=true

Lucy Letby trial: Expert says ‘line of gas’ in post-mortem X-ray was ‘unusual’ but not diagnostic of air having been administered:

https://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/23069151.lucy-letby-trial-expert-says-line-gas-post-mortem-x-ray-unusual/

Normal perinatal and paediatric postmortem magnetic resonance imaging appearances:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00247-014-3166-y

5) The “Confession” Note

https://www.scienceontrial.com/post/the-imagined-confession-examining-the-green-note

6) The lack of expert defence witnesses

This is a link to the complete evidence presented to the defence team before the end of the trial.

https://rexvlucyletby2023.com

Opinions of other scientists and specialists which back up the insulin research:

  • “Among all the tests performed by clinical labs, immunoassays have the highest inaccuracy. In addition to intrinsic inaccuracy being based on immunological interactions, numerous drugs and conditions could influence the data produced by immunoassays.” Adel Ismail, retired Head of Clinical Biochemistry and Director of Pathology Services, Pinderfiels and Leeds Teaching Hospitals, West Yorkshire. Area of speciality in laboratory medicine is in ensuring the diagnostic accuracy of measurements and interpretation of laboratory results.
  • In his paper “Hypoglycaemia: accidents, violence and murder. Part 2, Prof V. Marks states, “Contrary to dogma, an inappropriately high plasma insulin and a low C-peptide concentration –especially in the presence of hypoglycaemia – though highly suggestive, is not pathognomonic of exogenous insulin administration,” Professor Vincent Marks, Emeritus Professor of biochemistry and leading authority on insulin in criminal law. In discussing the Letby case with Science on Trial, Prof Marks insisted that assay tests used in the Liverpool laboratory have no forensic value and should have been judged inadmissible by the court.
  • In his paper “Forensic aspects of Insulin,” Prof V. Marks states, “A sample of venous blood must be collected, before any treatment is given, and separated into plasma or serum immediately, or as soon as practicable, and stored at -20 °C until analysed or discarded. At least one further blood sample should be collected, preferably about 1h after restoration of normoglycaemia, and stored alongside it.” In the case of both babies with hypoglycaemia, repeat insulin measurements were not taken.
  • Marks (2005): “Cases that come to court and depend exclusively on the results of a single insulin assay should always be suspect as the methods of measurement employed generally do not meet forensic standards and/or their interpretation is questionable”.
  • Vincent Marks claims a fatal dose of insulin for an adult human being is around 1000 units.
  • Alan Wayne Jones (2023) says: “Analytical methods utilizing immunoassay, such as RIA, EMIT and ELISA, are mainly intended as presumptive, diagnostic, or screening tests for presence of drugs. In forensic toxicology, positive immunoassay results need to be verified by re-analysis with a more specific confirmatory method, such as GC-NPD, GC- MS or LC-MS/MS”.
  • Alan Wayne Jones (2023) has almost the same statement as Vincent Marks: Practical Diabetes Int 2005; 22(9): 352–358, “Hypoglycaemia: accidents, violence and murder. Part 2”

Links to scientists’ research papers:

Insulin analogues as a new example of interference in insulin assays

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0004563215590165

Adult hypoglycaemia; a narrative review on forensic aspects https://jlpm.amegroups.org/article/view/5995/html

Hypoglycaemia: accidents, violence and murder. Part 1 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/pdi.854

Hypoglycaemia: accidents, violence and murder. Part 2 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/pdi.875

A W Jones (2023): Insulin murder and the case of Colin Norris. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1752928X2300001X

Forensic aspects of Insulin https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0168822713001861

Scientific working group for forensic toxicology, (SWGTOX) standard practices for method validation in forensic toxicology. J Anal Toxicol (2013), 37, 452 -447. https://academic.oup.com/jat/article/37/7/452/765476

Links to other articles and blogs/books:

In 2020, Doctors at The Countess of Chester Hospital missed chances to save Olly Thornton who died from sepsis after they discharged him from hospital. He received inadequate care; they didn’t screen him for a bacterial infection he had which led to sepsis. He exhibited the same rash on his body as did the babies Lucy is accused of killing. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-67940167

Professor Richard Gill’s blog: https://gill1109.com/2023/05/24/the-lucy-letby-case/

Unlucky Numbers: Richard Gill is fighting the shoddy statistics that put nurses in prison for serial murder. Science, Vol 379, Issue 6629, 2022. https://www.science.org/content/article/unlucky-numbers-fighting-murder-convictions-rest-shoddy-stats

Dr David Robert Grimes, scientist and author: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/bad-science-and-bad-statistics-in-the-courtroom-convict-innocent-people/

Two thirds of maternity units are dangerously substandard: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/oct/20/two-thirds-of-englands-maternity-units-dangerously-substandard-says-cqc

Matthew Syed, British journalist and author of “black box thinking” book. From a review: “In Black Box Thinking, Matthew Syed argues that learning from failure drives human progress. Namely, our politics, courts, and hospitals stigmatise failure and perpetuate a culture of false exceptionalism that prevents them from improving. If we neglect to improve our stagnating institutions, they’ll continue to take the lives of innocents—whether it’s death due to preventable medical error or wrongful conviction that leads to life in prison. ” https://www.matthewsyed.co.uk/book/black-box-thinking-the-surprising-truth-about-success/

Peter Elston, statistician, “Chimpinvestor” blog: https://www.chimpinvestor.com/post/do-statistics-prove-accused-nurse-lucy-letby-innocent

Scott McLachlan’s Law Health and Tech blog: LL Part 0: Scepticism in Action: Reflections on evidence presented in the Lucy Letby trial.  https://lawhealthandtech.substack.com/p/scepticism-in-action

Anonymous nurse “report”: please see attached file

Lawrence George report of baby F and baby L : please see attached file.

The state of forensic science in the UK.  “The UK’s forensic science used to be considered the gold standard, but no longer. The risk of miscarriages of justice is growing. And now a new Westminster Commission is trying to find out what went wrong. Joshua talks to its co-chair, leading forensic scientist Dr Angela Gallop CBE, and to criminal defence barrister Katy Thorne KC.” https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001k7vt

Toxic doctors put patients at risk, says NHS Watchdog. From sepsis to maternity, the ombudsman says he is shocked by failings every day, https://archive.li/ItXoi

Announcement follows campaign by parents of Martha Mills, 13, who died in hospital after developing sepsis https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/14/government-backs-marthas-rule-on-second-medical-opinion-in-england

Bad stats overturn medical murders podcast https://www.science.org/content/podcast/bad-stats-overturn-medical-murders-and-linking-allergies-climate-change

Lucy Letby: the insulin question

This story focusses on two tests performed at the “Clinical Laboratory Medicine” lab of Royal Liverpool and Broadgreen University Hospitals NHS Trust, http://pathlabs.rlbuht.nhs.uk/, see their “instruction sheet” http://pathlabs.rlbuht.nhs.uk/insulin.pdf (reproduced as jpeg image above).

Two babies are supposed by the prosecution to have received a huge unauthorised amount of insulin. Moreover, it was alleged that Lucy was the perpetrator of this, though how she had done it is totally unclear. For reasons which are still unclear, Lucy’s defence did not contest the first claim, obliging Lucy herself to agree with the prosecution that there must have been a murderer on the ward.

These two cases are two of the three cases where the jury (though reduced in size to only 11 persons) was unanimous in accepting the charges made by the prosecution. Together with the infamous post-it note confession and the infamous spreadsheet showing that Lucy was always there whenever the prosecution alleged that she had murdered or attacked babies (it would have been very surprising if that had not been the case!) these three pieces of evidence seem to be the ones which sway most people’s minds.

I recently came across a long analysis of the two insulin cases on one of the FaceBook pages devoted to the Lucy Letby trial. I believe it has been written by someone in the nursing profession. They appear to me to be extremely knowledgeable. I will reproduce the text verbatim, below. It comes in two parts dated September 1 and September 21, 2023.

Notice that the insulin attacks are supposedly proved by the results of blood test which were requested by a doctor who apparently never looked at the result. These results were discovered either by Dr Breary or by Dr Dewi Evans (they both claim to have been the one who did this) in 2018, after the police investigation had been ongoing for a year. Note that that investigation had started almost immediately with Dewi Evans’ analysis of the medical notes on 32 incidents (deaths and resuscitations) in March 2017.

The blood test was performed by laboratory of the Royal Liverpool Hospital. The image featured at the top of this post is the information officially provided by the hospital about this particular assay. Note that it explicitly says that the test is not appropriate for the purpose it is now being used for, namely to use a high ratio of insulin to C-peptide in the blood (relatively too much insulin) as an indicator that excess insulin has been administered.

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PART 1 September 1, 2023

The now infamous INSULIN CASES.

This is going to be a long story. I’ll start with some scene setting:

In August 2015 and April 2016, two separate blood test results revealed instances of two neonates who had high levels of insulin and low levels of  C-peptide, in blood samples taken at the Neonatal Unit at the Countess of Chester Hospital. The children concerned were referred to as Child F and Child L as part of the trial of Lucy Letby, due to the court-imposed reporting restrictions, protecting the identity of the babies and their families. They are now 8 and 7 years old respectively. The ‘insulin’ charges are considered the ‘smoking gun’ evidence against Lucy. This is because in the majority of cases where high insulin levels are secreted naturally by the body, there will be an accompanying level of C-Peptide. However, C-Peptide levels are not influenced by exogenous insulin levels or ‘injected’ insulin. Hence the conclusion drawn by the prosecution.

But NOTE:

1. Where insulin antibodies are present, transiently (from for example a diabetic mother in utero) or chronically the test used will also report in the same way.

2. There are other conditions that can also generate a misleading conclusion of ‘facticious hyperinsulinism’ from this testing.

3. They include infection, primary or secondary adrenal suppression (Addison’s), genetic variants and liver issues. We do not know how much or how often.

5. The test is also unreliable in some other circumstances, including chronic kidney disease, consumption of certain drugs and alcohol as well improper sample storage/processing.

We are told that the blood results were not noted until the police investigation – with the discovery taking place at some point in 2018, a year into the enquiries by Cheshire Police. This is important because it makes no sense and is contradicted in testimony. But let’s pretend we believe it. How this came to pass is in itself a changing story, with both Dr Brearey and Dr Evans claiming they spotted it in 2018. I’ve asked before what a party in the investigation, if it was conducted as robustly as the police claim in the ‘Operation Hummingbird’ documentary, who therefore should have been a suspect at this point, was doing reviewing and preparing files for the police and supposedly impartial expert witness, but this is one of many extraordinary aspects to this case.  But let’s get back into the testing.

A key point to note first is that we have no idea of how many other babies could have had the same results, as that information is not shared as part of the case put before the court. These are not standard tests done from the off and were an external test conducted by the lab at the Royal Liverpool. They are only ordered with persistently low blood glucose values and have to be requested by a consultant. In neonates, hyperinsulinism as it’s known, when there is a high insulin reading, NOT related to administration of synthetic insulin, is considered rare, accounting for 1:25k births according to official data. Although blood glucose issues more broadly are extremely common in premature babies (as confirmed by the prosecution’s chief witness himself, Dr Dewi Evans, in his post-trial interview – nice when we agree on something 😂).

Causes vary and we do not know how many others would present like this, given as per the note above, insulin and C-peptide levels are not recorded in every instance, as the resulting hypoglycaemia can resolve before it gets to that stage. Where they are, it may not result in a diagnosis of anything – as we see in these cases, if it has corrected. That said, it is also more common in multiples or in a sibling of a child who has also had the condition; and both of these cases relate to twins. In both cases their sibling also had issues with maintaining stable blood glucose values. NOTE, As a result of this, both Child F and his twin brother E were also previously prescribed insulin as part of their care.

We know from research that Transient Hyperinsulinism is often diagnosed in infants of diabetic mothers or mothers with gestational diabetes. We know this is the case for Child L (& M), whose mother was T1, but do not know if relevant for the other set of twins. We do not know if she is a carrier of insulin auto antibodies, or another cause for her Diabetes, such as GAD – but if this is the case, the antibodies would have been present in the twins for up to several weeks post-delivery. And alone fully explain L’s Insulin and C-Peptide ratio. Re F, the risk of developing gestational diabetes is generally higher in people carrying twins or multiples than those carrying a single fetus, so could well be a factor for his mother. This is because carrying multiple babies places additional stress on the body and increases the demand for insulin. The risk may also be higher due to increased placental hormones. So, it could be a factor there too.

Transient Hyperinsulinism can also occur in association with perinatal stress, which leads to Hyperinsulinism by uncertain mechanism(s). Factors associated with perinatal stress Hyperinsulinism may include; Intrauterine growth restriction, cesarean section delivery, infection and birth asphyxia. They also have less well-defined co-morbid test values, because there is not a singular aetiology. We don’t know how many cases have been noted with corresponding low C-Peptide. And repeat tests can look very different given said transient nature. Despite this – the ratio of high insulin and low C-peptide has been used to implicate many a healthcare ‘killer’, given exogenous insulin is a more common, researched explanation.

But because of these and other factors, several convictions have also been overturned on appeal. The case of Colin Norris might well become yet another example. Both the cases for F&L would be classed as ‘transient’ as they self-corrected over time. (Which enables us to rule out genetic causes. So, I won’t discuss that here. Even though such tests were not completed either, but it’s more likely it would have been lasting, in all but a couple of known variants – even with treatment).

We were not given much of any comment on the risk factors in the babies involved in court, as the witnesses suggested the C-Peptide made other causes near impossible, but there are known / confirmed relevant factors, in both cases summarised:

*CHILD F* was an identical twin (to Child E) born by caesarean section (✔️) on July 29th, 2015, 10 weeks early. Child F was just 1.434kg on delivery and had blood sugar issues from the off, before Lucy Letby was anywhere near him. He also needed resuscitation at birth and significant support with breathing thereafter (✔️). He was being treated for an infection and ‘suspected sepsis’ (✔️). He also had ‘some jaundice’.

*CHILD L* (Twin brother of Child M) was also born by c-section on April 8 2016, seven weeks premature (✔️). Type 1 diabetic mother (✔️). Although closer to term that E&F, he only weighed 1.465kg, and was delivered early because the twins had stopped growing properly (✔️). Mum had been admitted two weeks prior to monitor this complication. They had more mild breathing issues, but issues all the same (✔️).

Note Child E and F were also a set of twins for which twin-twin transfusion syndrome (TTTS) was identified. TTTS is a rare, serious condition that happens when identical twins share a placenta (monochorionic). Abnormal blood vessel connections form in the placenta. They allow blood to flow unevenly between the fetuses. The recipient twin receives too much blood, it can thicken. Thicker blood is harder to pump, so the baby is at risk for developing soft tissue swelling and heart failure, and may even die in utero. Meanwhile, the donor twin is at risk for organ failure, including the kidneys, because of inadequate blood flow. This could be a factor in the accuracy of any blood tests taken from Child F and also a huge additional factor of perinatal stress and complications.

It’s fair to say in most reported / research cases, hyperinsulinemia is congenital (present at birth) and is genetic. However, children do develop the condition later and it can be transient or more lasting depending on an array of differential factors and cause. In any case, Child F had needed insulin almost immediately after birth. We have less accurate data regarding these cases, as they mostly self-correct. So, the numbers could also be higher than anyone actually realises.

And in fact in the neonatal period, acquired forms are usually associated with conditions like perinatal stress as noted in both babies or maternal gestational diabetes and are often transient see [6, 7] in the following cited article: https://ojrd.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13023-022-02214-y#:~:text=The%20etiology%20of%20CHI%20can,transient%20%5B6%2C%207%5D.

Also note from the research paper linked to below: The defining laboratory value of hyperinsulinism is not always a measurable elevation of insulin. «Insulin levels fluctuate greatly because of the short half-life of 4 to 5 minutes and because it is rapidly cleared by the liver before it reaches the peripheral circulation». As also seen in these babies. But put down to very different circumstances by the Expert Witnesses, with very little to back this up, years after the event.

Two important studies also referenced in this paper discuss the level of plasma insulin during hypoglycemic states in large groups of patients with transient HI. The first study noted that 22 of 27 (81%) of infants diagnosed with transient HI had elevated plasma insulin levels. In the second study, plasma insulin levels were elevated in only 11 of 24 (46%) of neonates with transient HI. These cases were diagnosed with hyperinsulinism on the basis of other evidence, including lack of ketosis in the setting of hypoglycemia, elevated glucose requirements, and glycemic response to glucagon. Meaning others could fly under the radar and tests taken very close together can vary greatly. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4753077/#:~:text=Transient%20HI%20is%20often%20diagnosed,by%20uncertain%20mechanism(s).&text=Factors%20associated%20with%20perinatal%20stress,section%20delivery%2C%20and%20birth%20asphyxia.

But also is very important because of the prosecution’s allegations about why the insulin levels were high and the method they theorise exogenous insulin was administered. So what was the cause in these babies, how was it determined, confirmed and is it as clear cut as the prosecution make out, for their lynchpin cases or ‘ah ha moment’ as they’ve put it prior. The fact is – we don’t know. And I’ll tell you why.

The clinical pathology is not there conclusively with the testing they did and then onwardly didn’t do (esp. with the compounding factors I’ve outlined above) and well their version of events from a bigger picture perspective makes even less sense. We have discussed this a lot from different perspectives, but I wanted to share my own personal observations – along with a video, showing that after the trial, the key parties don’t seem to be able to make their minds up how they even came across this information and who interpreted it.

Firstly – We are supposed to believe that even by the first incident, but certainly by the second, ‘the doctors’ were highly suspicious of either grave incompetence (in addition to their own – well documented in a series of reports and in court testimony) or nefarious activity by LL. Yet astonishingly they want us to believe in the next breath, that on neither occasion the test results highlighting raised insulin levels were escalated to senior consultants.

So let’s get this straight: They have ordered the tests for both children. They were supposedly concerned they had mistakenly or purposefully been given insulin or had some apparent disorder / wider issue with their blood glucose, endocrine system or genetics even, to have done so, over and above the standard testing at the hospital … but they didn’t think it in any way important to review the results properly at the time. 🤯 “None of us regrettably realised two babies had been poisoned by insulin, so we didn’t have the full picture”. A statement made Dr John Gibbs in court and widely shared in the media.

I’m sorry … that does not wash with me. Nor is this what happens in clinical practice. Or rather, in any case should happen. Talking about the first incident relating to Child F, we were told that the long and short of it is: A blood sample was sent to the Royal Liverpool Hospital for analysis which confirmed the insulin detected was not naturally produced. Dr Gibbs said in court on 24 November 2022 that the insulin c-peptide reading should be at 20,000-40,000 to correlate with the insulin reading in his test (4657). And so Child F had been given a pharmaceutical form of insulin administered, and he “should have never received it”.

A bold statement. Yet Gibbs or any other prosecution witness has provided absolutely no conclusive evidence that this was the case as I’ve said. Other than a test that does not record the type of insulin or differentiate from the insulin produced naturally by the body. Just an indicator in C-Peptide to insulin ratio, that further testing is required to investigate the cause. Exogenous insulin one cause. Yes, the most common cause. But not the ONLY cause. And both babies had significant risk factors for other causes as I have outlined. So, no. That is absolutely not what the test said. Or measured. It’s a total misrepresentation.

In fact, the lab themselves suggested further testing to conclusively determine this in the results provided. More so, (see video, link to be added later), even test interpretation notes suggest insulin autoantibodies as a potential cause. It’s important we deal in facts, not opinions here. Especially in matters of such importance. And we actually heard days and days of testimony re these two babies. But also, insulin and TPN, from various witnesses.

Whilst I’ll go as far as to say some of them over played their hand and made it sound like it was the only explanation, some of the experts did give a more rounded representation when pushed, a ‘most experts agree’ type statement – insinuating that there are other causes and possibilities. Even if they were presenting what they believed to be the most likely explanation (according to the prosecution case). It’s fair to say though, no real detail was covered re other causes of Transient Hyperinsulinism in neonates, with low accompanying C-peptide, nor medical history of the mother to confirm or discount transient insulin auto immunity or great detail about the reliability of the testing when used alone to be diagnostic.

But I’ll be clear here. That is not what they were there to do. They were hired to theorise and explain the how. The why had already been decided. More so they brought in other experts to expand on their theory – with scientific calculations, pertaining to half-life & most likely method of administration as a result (TPN bags they claimed), but again with no real evidence that seems to stand up when you take a step back.

1. There were no TPN bags tested or retained.

2. There are many practical flaws to this. Including TPN being changed when LL was not even working a shift – with the clinical state continuing. This had them theorising that she must have ‘spiked’ stock in the ward fridge, using the bag ports.

Professor Hindmarsh for the prosecution said that insulin could be added “fairly easily” through a portal that’s located at the bottom of the feed bags. He also told the court that in his opinion, to produce the blood glucose levels detected, around at least three or potentially four bags could have been contaminated. Forgetting to mention that the same stock bags were being used for other babies on the ward. It would be a startling coincidence that only one baby would have received all of the contaminated bags, eh? Crucially though, remember they have not and couldn’t discount other causes with actual testing, or confirm if it was indeed exogenous, incl. the brand/type/chain to confirm it was the same that was held in the ward fridge, as they didn’t bother to do it, and so have no actual conclusive proof of their theorised accounts. However much they double down.

This is the test they would require to confirm the aspect of their theory that it was exogenous or manufactured insulin and which type: LC-MS/MS testing. This would have not only identified if the beta chain was synthetic, but also the manufacturer of that synthetic insulin. If negative; other avenues should have been explored, including genetic, auto immunity of various types. Transient or chronic. But they didn’t even repeat the first test. Let alone do more.

Let summarise so far: CHILD F had significant risk factors for congenital hyperinsulinism. As did CHILD L, which I’ll get to shortly in a little more detail. These risks were actually increased by over 300% due to their size and weight according to various studies. But the prosecution claims a murderous serial killer nurse was far more plausible, despite being many times rarer on a population level than congenital hyperinsulinism. Even without the elevated risk factors. Not even 1:300k in the U.K. And other staff had to select the supposedly spiked TPN, for the same babies, in each case, consistently around 3 times, when LL was not on shift.

Ok. But that’s not even it.

This is where it gets very interesting re F. Child F collapsed on the 5th August. Dr Gibbs, now famous here for his ‘memory’ lapses (that only he’s allowed), conceded in his testimony to the court that insulin was given far later than originally represented in his statements (the night of the 4th August – a bolus he says) to said baby. He had originally stated that Child F had last been prescribed insulin on the 29th July. This was repeated by multiple professionals, each stating that none was administered since the 29th July. Which for me makes all of this completely nul and void. Their records were a mess. How do we know that any of it was reliable. The child had insulin. More so, F’s brother, Child E, WAS prescribed insulin too. Child E had sadly passed the prior day, but obviously has the same surname. Was this a matter of incompetence?

Is it not more plausible that IF the result was indeed due to synthetic insulin, that Gibbs did only give a bolus overnight if we can believe his latest conclusion… that further doses could have been given in error, to a child with the same surname, right next to F? Especially on a chaotic ward making an exceptional number of mistakes, that have been well documented. To make this seem unlikely … it was represented to the court that there were no other children on the ward, in receipt of insulin at the time. Technically correct, but also misleading on account of this information.

So, what about the sequence of events relating to the results? Evidence was also given to the court that the results for Child F were phoned through to the Countess of Chester’s biochemistry lab on August 13. (It is a delayed result). By that stage Child F’s blood sugar had stabilised and he had been moved to a different hospital closer to his parents’ home. So, NOTHING was followed up. A doctor involved in the care of Child F said she was “at a loss” to explain the blood test findings. The medic, who could not be identified for legal reasons (convenient eh!), told Manchester Crown Court: “This is something we found very confusing at the time because (Child F) had only been prescribed insulin five days previously (on July 31). AGAIN even though Gibbs changed his story on this date. Contrary to the account of Dr Gibbs and Dr Brearey, the unnamed doctor said it was looked at to see if anyone else at the time was prescribed insulin in the whole neonatal unit. Investigated for a possible ‘accidental administration’, when the results came back.  But there were no other babies at that time. No further action was taken. Ummm.

Gibbs claimed that ‘I was not thinking at the time that someone might have administered insulin. The results showed that, but unfortunately the junior doctors who read them didn’t realise the significance’. Seemingly contradicting her. She clearly DID understand the potential significance. So what was it … who is telling the truth? They need to get their story straight. But from this we can infer they did know … or why did they check the other prescriptions? And so Gibbs and his bolus aside, if they had this information, why didn’t they follow the advice to understand WHY these tests came back as they did?

So let’s get to Child L, where denials and excuses become even more astonishing. By now we are in APRIL 2016. The doctors were in full ‘blame Lucy’ mode and had been in conflict with management. A blood sample taken from Child L was again sent to the Royal Liverpool for the tests. That too showed a high level of insulin which the prosecution and the media tell us ‘had been given to the patient’ again with absolutely no evidence, other than some clever sounding, educated theory that it was the case. For all the same reasons it’s disingenuous to claim otherwise..

Even more so with Child L’s mother’s T1 diabetes. There was even more likelihood of a biological rationale for the events. YET AGAIN – The result was phoned through to the Countess of Chester on April 14 and entered on the computer system – with no further action taken that was tangible or followed the next steps suggested by the lab. Crucially again … it’s Doctors ordering these tests. They don’t order themselves and procedure states that they have to be both requested and interpreted by a consultant.

Why were we not given more specifics here? Who did this?

Why were we not given the name of the doctor that both ordered and interpreted the tests? Why was this and procedure glossed over? Why were doctors allowed to make inaccurate statements unchallenged? The media happily minimise phrases like “its significance did not appear to be appreciated as the child’s condition had improved”. Ummm, not good enough. And highly misleading.

Now let’s briefly discuss the numbers for each baby. As it opens another can of worms. For Child F the insulin level was provided to the court as 4657. I am presuming this is pmol/mL – as despite this being INSANE, any alternative unit measurement is worse. Note, 4000 anything insulin, is enough to put grown man in a coma. It would not be unreasonable to conclude this is likely to be inaccurate. And would call for repeat testing. In fact, generically neonatal blood tests often read inaccurately high, on account of low blood volume and potential newborn hemolysis, so often need to be repeated. Confirmed now by several doctors. Where there is TTTS even more so.

For Child L, it was far lower. 1,099. With a smaller C-Peptide disparity (recorded as 264). Remember this is the child with a type one diabetic mother. Given the values are not just significantly lower, but in another stratosphere – would it not make more sense to conclude that they were not the result of the same set of circumstances. And that this is more likely the cause of the hyperinsulinism with low C-Peptide?

Now blood sugars. In both cases some of the many values given were not even indicative of poisoning. Levels of 0.2 or lower – would be expected. In Child L, they never fell below 2.0. Not once. In F, the lowest reading was 0.8. But others were much higher. I’m not going to go too much into the chain of evidence as it’s a lesser factor. But we don’t know what happened in transit to the lab. Bloods without this clearly documented can become inadmissible evidence in any case.

That’s before we get to both the TPN and insulin. Even after its arrival on the ward from all over the contentent and via various hospital departments, the entire ward staff had access to it. Yet of course, if it went as told, it had to be LL. I won’t even give this any more time. 🥴

And let’s get back on to Dr Evans and the police now. The police claim that Dr Evans reviewed all files relating to collapses and deaths of babies covering the period in question (June 2015-July 2016, when Lucy was removed from the ward) to determine which were ‘suspicious’. However, Dr Evans claimed in his post-trial interview, that he only saw the files for F&L, because their siblings were “harmed in other ways”.

So … why were their collapses not included in the original bundle? Is it because Lucy Letby was not on shift in the most part, so the files had been ‘pre sifted’, to only include babies that collapsed or died when Lucy was on shift? Can we reasonably infer from this that they were ever only investigating incidents they could associate with Letby being on shift, despite their claims to the contrary? Which also makes their so called ‘strongest evidence’ their potential undoing. Well, the undoing of their narrative in any case. Especially since as no information was provided in discovery as to the other up to 10 deaths (numbers vary from different sources as we have previously discussed, which in itself is a 🚩) and unknown number of other collapses in the same 12-month period. Or indeed what really differentiated these from the others – with the very vague and unshared methodology of ‘unexpected and unexplained’.

Despite all the cases linked to the charges, having many, many factors that regularly cause death and collapse in premature infants. The police want us to believe that deaths and collapses in neonates is exceptionally rare. 10 others on the same ward and statistics re mortality by gestational age (see my prior posts), also prove this a fallacy. Even if these comorbidities did not exist. In what sort of alternate reality is this acceptable?

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PART 2 September 21, 2023

The insulin debate, continued.

First, let’s repeat the beginning of the Part 1. Discordant Insulin to C-peptide results being an absolute indication of factitious insulin administration is an entirely false assumption. Not only that, the results proposed are beyond insane. There are several reasons for that, it’s complex and multifactorial. Let’s try and break it down somewhat.

The test showed that the insulin concentration was 4657/pmol/L, the C-peptide was 169 pmol/L and the glucose was 1.3 mmol/L.  Within two hours of the blood test the baby’s blood sugar level was ~4 mmol/L, which is normal. When there’s is a concern of neonatal glucose issues, the best standard of care would be to take C peptide/Insulin levels from cord blood at birth or at first recognition of an abnormal blood sugar, or when there is known diabetic mother either – Type1/2 or gestational. It’s a right away job. Not a ‘when shit hits the fan’ job.

Second from that, the test to prove exogenous insulin is preferably done fasting, though obviously impossible in neonates,  it can also be done in the first instance of sudden, unexpected hypoglycaemia. This would be differentiated as a ‘fasting’ result and a ‘stimulated’ result. However, what you don’t do, what you absolutely avoid doing, if you want any accuracy or legitimacy in the results, you later use to infer attempted murder – You do not start treating the hypoglycaemia, then take the C peptide/ to insulin test. A test taken after treatment has commenced, is completely compromised.  Because treatement of hypoglycaemia raises the insulin and suppresses the C peptide, therfore you get abnormal results.

The hypoglycaemia was treated with IV dex MULTIPLE times over several hours, prior to this test being considered, returning an odd result. If it were to be considered a legitimate result.   It would insinuate invalidity, due to not being taking prior to treatment.  Those results could be partially explained by the repeated IV dex prior to the test, which stimulates the Insulin release and supresses the C peptide.

And now Part 2 really begins –

DR Gibbs states the patient is peripherally shut down. And blames possible infection or stress. Yet that is also a consequence of Hypoglycaemia. Hypoglycaemia induces a reduction in peripheral circulation, which in turn affects circulating blood volume for tests. Slow difficult blood draws often read Insulin inaccurately high. A C-Peptide of “under 169 P/Mol” being considered ‘undetectable’ is also, complete randomness. 169 is not a low C-Peptide result, under 94 is the beginning of low 94 – 300 is an ‘indeterminate’ number. 300 + is high.

It’s widely assumed that a supressed C-peptide from insulin would be very low, much lower than 94, never mind 169. p/mol/l. Though this varies in neonates, recent studies show that 5 out of 9 c peptide results were low, 4 out of 9 was high, after insulin administration. (it is not an exact science in the most complex creatures in this world)

The test itself is unfortunately difficult to trust, as the standards prior to it arriving frozen, rely on it being centrifuged and frozen within 30mins of being taken. As a nurse who has worked in 4 hospitals in various departments, The likelihood this happened at 5.30am in a busy acute hospital is almost 0. I would be flabbergasted if even a good hospital managed that. Even if it was handed straight to the lab, it would sit amongst the ED bloods that come every 5 to 10 mins, where 1 or 2 members of staff would slowly work through them.

Unless it was sent on a bed of ICE, the sample would have already started to degrade, it wasn’t sent on Ice, there is no Ice in the woman and children’s building.  If it was centrifuged (plasma separated) after 6 hours, it would be non-diagnostic, totally void. They only confirm it arrived frozen and was processed within 24 hours. No one has confirmed it was treated and frozen within the expected 30 mins.

On top of that, it was sent to Liverpool, who state they cannot diagnose exogenous insulin in their 2012 protocol, but on this day, on the C peptide page, have returned to their 2010 protocol which has no mention of their inability to detect exogenous insulin. (Good PR for the trial not to fully annihilate your credibility, eh?)

The people who should be doing this test – Guildford,  who they considered forwarding the sample too, but didn’t, as they had ‘confidence’ in the tests accuracy despite working off a much older set of standards for preservation. Guildford had a different set of standards, for neonates especially. They request the blood test of neonates to be heparinised, as there is normally a much lower blood volume and this maximises the plasma for testing. Had the test went to the right lab, to verify what this test is supposed to be proof of, it wouldn’t have even been in the same vial, never mind every other error up until that point.

Summary.

1. The test wasn’t done at the time needed to diagnose exogenous insulin. First episode of hypoglycaemia, prior to treatment.

2. Multiple attempts to rectify the blood sugar, would have increased the plasma insulin and supressed the c peptide.

3. The test was taken from a peripherally shut down patient who had issues with cannulation and multiple IV infusions of dex

4. The test would have needed to come from a non-IV line infusion arm or limb. Though failed cannulas would likely have meant there was no IV free limb.

5. The test needs to be kept at 4’ min immediately, centrifuged within 30 mins and frozen to -20, to stop degradation as the hospital and Liverpool lab were still using the less stable testing protocol of gel tubes. Despite there being a testing protocol that allows 24*s stability at ambient temperature.

6. If it was delayed 6 hours + prior to the centrifuge, the results were degraded and absolutely unable to be used in court. Even if they arrived to Liverpool ‘frozen’

7. They were sent to a lab unable to conduct the proper testing that would have actually evidenced exogenous insulin, the lab that accurately determines that was Guilford, the test didn’t go there. We are relying on Liverpool’s interpretation, despite them not having the proper assays to be used credibly, like to accuse someone of murder.

8. Had there have been some initiative in sending the test to the right lab in the first instance, the Guildford lab would have advised that neonatal bloods specifically, were taken in a ‘red top’ no preservative, heparinised, then separated, as neonatal blood tests cannot be treated the same way as adults.

9. HOWEVER despite all of that – 4657/pmol/l cannot be the result, it is not possible.  Not on the proposed 0.6ml Of insulin added to a slow bag which is another fallacy entirely. That same result was found on attempted suicide patients who injected over 200 Units of insulin, and who were in a coma in the ICU for several days.

10.  The insulin may have already been high from all the IV Dex infusions, likely a degraded, partially haemolysed sample from inability to follow the strict protocol, taken too late, from a peripherally shut down neonate, it wasn’t heparinised, as expected for neonates and small blood volumes, yet Liverpool ran it anyway. A blood test with very serious consequences, requires it to be done properly and to the letter. Then be properly analysed considering the results make 0 sense even if insulin was added, the C peptide would have been less, the patient would have been very much dead or dying – Not recovering to a Blood sugar of 4 0 –  2 hours later

11. The C peptide result of 169 P/Mol/l is not low for neonates. It doesn’t come under the bracket of low, yes it’s lower than expected for an insulin level that high, maybe in adults?  But once you start treating the issue, you supress the C peptide, so it may even have been normal, prior to all the increasing dex infusions.

Would this be good enough for your life?

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Introduction to the case: R. v. Lucy Letby

This is the first project which our foundation is working on, intensively, for more than a year. Our aim is to disseminate reliable information about the case, in particular concerning the science which could (and in our opinion, should) have been brought to bear on it, both medical and statistical. But history, sociology, psychology also give many insights. The founders of Science for Justice – NL, are scientists, but not medical scientists. One of us (Richard Gill) is a statistician with long experience in the use of statistics in medical science and in forensic science. He has been deeply involved in several past serial killer nurse miscarriages of justice. Certainly, the similarities with the famous case of Lucia de Berk in the Netherlands are large, and once one knows more about both cases, horrifying.

For the time being, by way of introduction, we refer the reader to a blog post by Richard Gill on his personal blog: https://gill1109.com/2023/05/24/the-lucy-letby-case/. That blog contains several other posts on the Lucy Letby case, and there are two further posts on the case in this blog.

Things have been moving very fast in recent months and we hope to present a summary of the present “state of play” quite soon.