This is a guest post written by Ms Lucy Turnbull. Her case is complex and cannot be explained better than in her own words. We at Science 4 Justice (NL) have verified the recounted facts as far as is possible. The opinions are Lucy’s. This post is the second of a series of four or five posts, recounting events roughly in reverse chronological order.
This version is posted Saturday, 11 July, by Richard Gill. It is a copy of a post of her own, on her own website https://www.lucyinbetween.com/
(That website was itself financially supported by Science 4 Justice-nl.)
After eighteen years of cover up and abuses to my human rights, the murder of my son, I asked for political asylum in Switzerland
I am well aware of how the British justice system is supposed to work and I am well aware of how the European system is supposed to work. I studied both at Edinburgh University, as a mature student twice (32 when I started in 1999). I also worked as a temp for multiple Scottish Government departments since its inception and since Donald Dewer was the first First Minister. I worked in a building in the High Street (which was close to the Church of Scotland Assembly Hall) for the temporary (via Pertemps) Scottish Government. I worked in the Standards and Procedures Department and multiple other departments in 2001 when Randy Reverand Douglas Stevenson was being exposed (not fully) in the tabloids. One of my jobs was to collect newspaper reports about ‘issues of interest to the Scottish State’. I was basically collecting newspaper reports about a Church of Scotland Reverend (Douglas Stevenson) I had an affair with whilst at university! I had to take a year out to let the story quiet down.
As a Sociology student I studied western society in all its parts (1999-2004 – my late son Danny was fifteen when I finished). My children were with me always and at no point were my children living with any other human being during their childhood. This is confirmed by tax codes, school reports, my own GPs (Brough, Black and another (non-Irish) one). I owned my own home worth about 150,000 pounds and had an 11,000-pound mortgage on it. I studied Politics 1, Philosophy 1, Social History 1, Sociology 1, Social Demography 1 in the first year, which basically gives you a grounding on the Enlightenment, and every philosophical, social and political tradition which the British and European justice systems are built upon.
I took both my boys to Gambia when I finished my Sociology MA to show them how fortunate they were and to show them how other people lived. This trip was after I received 5000 pounds for an exposé on Douglas Stevenson.
Being in Gambia and meeting boys his own age made Danny very sad, but my youngest son was too young to understand and was only ever interested in Danny making him laugh anyway, when we were all together.
The second time I went to Edinburgh University was between 2007-2009, after Danny died – I had set up an after-school youth club, mainly to benefit my youngest son, if I am honest, who, as I said, had lost his brother at the very important age of ten (2005) and was desperately lonely. He was 12 when I set up the club.
I had funding from multiple charitable funds for the youth club and got on to this MA course in Community Education as a result. I was a student studying community education and international development.
When Danny died my youngest son was very withdrawn and watching him so alone tore my heart to pieces. He and Danny used to spend every moment together in the house in Polwarth, Edinburgh. We were a very close, tight-knit little family. Sometimes he forgot Danny was dead and it was heartbreaking to remind him that Danny wouldn’t be there when we got home (he was so excited to see his big brother and tell him everything). This happened twice and I can still feel the pain he felt and the pain from watching my son suffer with grief, for the second time, third time. Every major event in his young life reminded us that Danny wasn’t there to share it with us. We knew what we were each thinking when major life events happened (moving up in high school, getting a deep voice, getting a girlfriend, passing all his exams, growing a beard). Our hearts broke over and over again, but there was some comfort for me in knowing we shared the same grief. We were the only ones who shared the same grief!
I kept all the legal stuff from my youngest son because what he was dealing with was enough and he was too young to understand. I told him Danny had had had an accident, and it was left at that. I don’t know what other people said to him but one nasty boy at primary school mocked him, by making jokes about the ‘falling man from the twin towers’.
My son was found dead at the bottom of a high-rise block of flats, apparently, from ‘falling from the thirteenth floor of a high story building’, two floors underneath the home of my disgusting brother.
He had no broken bones!
The conflicting story told to me by Danny’s neighbour and the behaviour of Christopher Turnbull, Morna Turnbull (thankfully deceased), Jenny Hutton and Alan McCune immediately after his death, and in the last three years, to me, point to murder. I have always known it, and their behaviour shows they are hiding something.
Why did they tell Police Scotland they were my son’s next of kin?
Why did Police Scotland take my narcissistic mother and neurotic sister to see my son’s body in the morgue before they informed me?
Why did Colin Boyd refuse to give me a reason to not investigate?
Why did Police Scotland not interview the only legally responsible parent of a dead child?
Why did Colin Boyd, eighteen years later, try to silence me and have me stalked around the world, via Police Scotland, the FCDO and the IPT court?
On what legal ground can a police force have an immigration officer interview someone suspected of something dodgy, without giving them the right to defence from a criminal lawyer?
Professor Gill and I asked Swiss immigration for a full copy of the interviews (recorded, transcribed into French and English, confirmed by my signature to be true), which should have been contained in my asylum file: They refused to send them.
Christopher Turnbull is one of my disgusting brothers whom the City of Edinburgh Council repeatedly pass my details to. Without my consent. The same disgusting person I cut out of my life and Danny’s life when Danny was two years old. The same disgusting person who, along with my mother, told Police Scotland that they were my son’s next of kin. The same disgusting person who could have been the last person to see him alive and the same disgusting person who has been stalking me, courtesy of the City of Edinburgh Council, Police Scotland, the IPT Court (Colin Boyd) and the FCDO. I will come to the Turnbull’s narcissistic psychopathy later. The only reason I don’t go into it now is because narcissists and psychopaths want everything (even my life and the death of my child) to be about them! Their narcissism, and police incompetence, has cost me my life, my son’s life and my rights as a loving mother to have a normal life.
So, I know exactly what is supposed to happen, intimately, theoretically, practically and politically, now procedurally in the UK and in Europe. I understand the justice system as a graduate and post-graduate, not as a previous user of the justice system prior to my son’s murder! In Edinburgh University we studied European politics, the European Union, the European Court of Human Rights, the Maastricht Treaty, etc. as part of the degree.
Since 2005 however, I have to had personally try to use the British justice system, multiple times (Crown and Prosecution Service of Scotland (COPFS) – 2005/6) – a year after my first degree from Edinburgh University. I had tried and believed that when a child died it should at least work then. I had tried and half-believed a specialist court, monitoring illegal surveillance (the Investigatory Powers Tribunal – 2021 – 2023) would at least give me legal representation and the chance to speak. I used the processes I had believed were there to protect innocent people. Every single time I was treated like a criminal. The more I challenged the system and people in the system the more global my persecution became, and the more intense and disturbed it became.
Since asking for asylum in Switzerland, the ‘secret, illegal reports’ have been circulated to people with tremendous power in Switzerland, whose English is not more than A2 level, and this gave many sick people outrageous opportunity to damage me in ways you cannot imagine. Stupid people. Sadistic people. Unprofessional people. Unethical people. Compromised people. People who do not understand the justice system in the UK, or even English. I was thrown to the wolves because of reports written by disgusting and aggressive officers in Police Scotland (because I tried to report crimes in Iraq and I tried to make a missing person report; and, of course, after being refused and treated very aggressively by Scottish Police, before and after having made multiple complaints).
A quick word on the culture within institutions.
If we imagine that the systems in the UK and Europe are not occupied by these kinds of individuals and wish to see them as some kind of opaque, ethereal ‘entity’ then we admonish the individuals which make up these institutions and they escape the consequences of their obtuse and sadistic lies, decisions and behaviours. Institutions are people, not ‘entities’. Although you could argue that the culture within them can promote a sick way of behaving, the culture is made by people and policies written by people. It is not ‘alive’ and not even an ethnographic researcher or anthropologist would argue a human culture exists without people. People are the culture and the culture is the people. Institutions have cultures which are created, reinforced, and broken by people and other institutions. They do not exist without people willing to enforce it. People need to be identified and held to account within these cultures.
Oct 2023 – I went to Switzerland to expose the abuses I was experiencing because nobody would give me reason or justification for anything.
Predicting what the continued consequences of ‘secret’ reports and hidden networks with global reach (IPT, FCDO, Police Scotland reach, into potentially everything I do and still do) would continue to do on my life and my now-ruined career, I decided to force the result (consequence) myself and took another option (UK justice failed again to provide me with anything). In theory, my asylum claim should have been successful. I should have been granted a temporary asylum on the basis I asked for it. If only to allow me to work without being stalked by anyone in the City of Edinburgh Council or Police Scotland (on behalf of those higher up). Or, to allow me to live and write. You cannot do this without a passport.
Explicitly understanding the clear intent (from experience in China and Iraq) and the predictable, continued direction of the lies being written and recorded about me (started in 2005 from the Turnbulls, Boyd, the Barzanis and Police Scotland); which were then repeated in the IPT courts, and forcing the consequences of such lies, allowed me to expose multiple things they had done and were doing. They refused to accept responsibility for anything and, due to this denial, would continue to do so, if I continued to work globally and try to behave ‘as normal’. I had already proven that this would happen, and I had already been ruined because of these lies, circulated outside the UK. That is why I asked for an Appeal. To stop this repeated abuse, ruining the rest of my life. I life I had created out of nothing and after the murder of my child.
I made a request for asylum.
I entered Switzerland via a cheap flight the morning after (October 2023) I received the decision from Judge Colin Tyre, stating that I could not have an appeal, and especially because of the phrase, ‘You cannot take this any further. Your right of appeal ends here. (This interprets as: You did not have the right to defend yourself in the IPT case in Dec 2022. You did not have the automatic right to a lawyer in the appeal hearing. You do not have any right to the information we used to come to our decision in Dec 2022. And, you have no human right to appeal this decision in the last court, the ECHR. You have no human rights at all. This is the basis, in Europe, for asking for asylum and it is enshrined in UK law also. What I did not know is that every single European country has a catch in their law which says, ‘No European country can give asylum to a citizen from another European country (regardless of persecution)’. This shows extreme political selectiveness, not based on human rights, but based on loyalty and global politics. It is simply a them and us system: westerners via others. Citizens via the elites. Mark Carney (Canadian Prime Minister) admitted it recently at a WEF meeting: We were lying about how the old international rule of law was applied to everyone fairly. It was not. We will be using a new system (same system, new words) now.
In our appeal request meeting, Judge Colin Tyre actually said, ‘People have tried (to take an appeal to the ECHR) before and failed.’ I found Tyre flippant, condescending, obtuse, detached from empathy and any understanding about my destroyed career and life, and assuming. In his written decision he suggested I use the ‘Citizens Advice Bureau (CAB) to help me’. But, as I did not normally live in the UK and had absolutely no plans to live in the UK (and had left the UK in 2013 and again in 2021 at tremendous expense (3000 plus pounds) after being stuck there due to the pandemic), especially considering what the British state had done to me outside the UK, why would I spend the next ten years using a process that does not work and especially when I know all of the processes I can use which are repeatedly denied to me? And, given, at this point, absolutely nobody had told me why I was under surveillance, why I was denied legal representation and why everyone appeared to be breaking fundamental British laws and international laws. WHAT exactly would I be going to the CAB to ask? Nobody would admit what I knew had happened.
I am not/was not incapacitated. I had understood or learned and used all the processes that should have worked. It wasn’t that I wasn’t capable. It was that the system refused to perform its function of providing information I am entitled to and offer redress.
You must admit lack of capacity to stop us harassing you.
Individualise, medicalise and pathologize your normal behaviour and normal requests. A form of sadism and anti-human pseudo-science. Specifically for dissenters.
The medicalisation of dissenters is documented in many books throughout history.
When the system refuses to admit to fault, it moves on to the next abuse, using ideologies and theories, unproven and possible even unprovable. Just ideas and beliefs dressed up as facts – like ‘gender’, for example. These ideas are about belief and are so prevalent in society that the arguments for them, even though they are tautological, exist in just about every mind in Western society now.
When you refuse to agree with a society’s base ideas (philosophical, political, behavioural, modern medicine) processes within the culture of that society (with the help of people who are blind to what other explanations exist or willing to lie), withing the system need you to claim you are incapable of doing ‘normal’ things. This is in order to control your desire for justice and to give those sadists, incompetents and narcissists in the system the opportunity to claim ‘compassion’ after sadism (intentional or unintentional). It is to resolve their cognitive dissonance because otherwise they would have to admit to great harm of people who do not and did not conform to a very misguided and myopic way of seeing humanity. It takes away their responsibility and accountability. It is a very strong desire and motivator to people who have caused great harm to avoid the catastrophe of what they have done. It is also to satisfy those with huge egos, sadistic attitudes and behaviours to show that they cannot harm you directly after you expose them, so they will force you to harm yourself, by demanding that you claim ‘incapacity, lack of ability’. The system is designed this way. The culture in the west works this way. Court cases cannot go ahead unless harm can be proven. Deviance from this norm is considered abnormal. Therefor anyone with a belief in Buddhism is considered fundamentally abnormal.
What if you are a resilient person who heals but wants justice or believe western cultures suffer from a disturbing malaise?
This is social control. It is very much the way the British have acted around the world during colonialism. It is the British character.
“We have come steal from you. We believe you should believe you are incapable of being civilized. We will take everything we want, and you will be grateful. We will oppress or kill you if you disagree.”
I refuse to admit that I am incapacitated in any way, because I am not, except that I have been made penniless, jobless and homeless by people who are intellectually stunted.
Torture in Switzerland
The majority of asylum seekers are tortured in Switzerland. I am not alone, but my specific kind of torture is a western kind of torture, and very specific to me, which foreign asylum seekers do not and did not experience. Many were aware that I was being treated differently and much worse than they were and many, many of them exploited this to cause me very great harm, especially the foreigners and Muslims working (paid) in the asylum centres. In ORS – the European organization paid to manage asylum centres.
The daily barbarity of many very feral, uneducated foreign men and women I shared rooms with and the barbarity and sadism of ORS staff I will describe. The asylum centres are dominated and staffed by non-western foreigners. It was confronting for other asylum seekers, and it caused enormous suspicion to see a westerner living amongst the other asylum seekers. It made them extremely paranoid and extremely suspicious. I was accused of being a reporter, a spy and a covert immigration officer, working for other countries as well as the Swiss; by staff and asylum seekers. There were some nice ORS staff who could confirm the paranoia of some of the foreign security and ORS staff. Swiss and European staff made up about 20% of staff.
As well as dealing with the barbaric conditions, I had to sit and listen to multiple very fake tales from people who assumed I had never worked in some of the countries they were coming from and did not understand the difference between economic migrants and genuine asylum seekers. Their naivety led them to tell me the biggest tales which immigration officers clearly had no way of checking or verifying. There were many serious criminals, sexual offenders, seriously mentally ill and extremely violent people, with extremist views and a genuine, unhinged hatred of Europe.
Those criminals, and there are many who managed to work the system and say everything immigration officers were looking for, knew intimately what to say and do to be accepted. I listened to many conversations and justifications from asylum seekers telling me why their right to asylum was justified. These were the ‘nice’ ones. These were the ones who thought they should at least offer an explanation. Many feel that just being from a country (not at war) gave them automatic right. Many were just reading a script. Some tried to tell me what to say.
Having lived around the world, and in Iraq during war times, I know war does not automatically mean your life is at risk. Iraq, in 2014 when I lived there, was one of the safest places on earth, contrary to what western media reported. Yezidis were at risk everywhere, but non-Yezidis could often live safely in many parts of Iraq. The myth that everyone living in a country at war should automatically be considered a potential asylum seeker is a misnomer.
In my second asylum centre I was forced, as an only woman, to sleep in a bed, in the middle of an open sleeping space for men. Men who had not been interviewed. Men who liked to violently attack each other. Murderers. Rapists. Paedophiles. Unvetted and dangerous men. The man who told me to do this was an Arab working for ORS. He claimed, after I sat almost silent in the two days, I was there, in a women’s room:
‘You have upset every single man in this asylum centre. You have offended every single man! You must leave Switzerland right now! I will call immigration and tell them you will come and get your passport.’
(An impossibility, given I had not spoken to hardly anyone except the security guards!)
His reaction was due to the fact Police Scotland and the FCDO, via Switzerland, had circulated their lies to every single asylum camp I stayed in. Knowing it would get me assaulted. Knowing the same ethnicities working and living in the camps would share this information (criticising Barzanis and Islam and the UK.
I called the local Swiss police who told him he had no right to tell me to leave a country that was not even officially his country!
To be continued…


